Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks

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– even when it seems that they are strong on opinions but weak in the faith department.
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#20505 - 01/06/05 04:00 AM Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks
Anonymous Unregistered	I just received my first edition of the (PUC) Recorder for 2005. As usual, I read the presidents message first. Wheweeee!!! Here is the link...but make sure the one you read is Volume 105 Number 1.. http://www.pacificunionrecorder.com/ The one up on the site as of this post is the last one of 2004. Here is the link...look for the Pres message when it gets to the site.. I haven't read something in the Recorder, like this, since 1978 or 1979?? Now...any brave souls out there?
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#20506 - 01/07/05 08:29 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	The site is still not current..hmmm
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#20507 - 01/11/05 05:03 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	IT'S UP! http://www.pacificunionrecorder.com/105/1/24664.html Maybe..this is good...maybe we shouldn't be friendly...or else...they would stay and be subjected to 3 offerings during the worship service and cell phones going off and noisy infants all during the service.. maybe the members are frustrated by the distractions and can't be friendly. I don't mind too much anymore.. I have my Baptist buddy to go listen to...he delivers 3 times the sermon of almost all SDA preachers I ever heard...and his church, which is 3 times larger than the one I go to.. has people who know how to behave in church...they are respectful of the person(s) up front. Now to cut and paste to reply to Tom.
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#20508 - 01/11/05 05:21 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Bravus Husband and Father Registered: 09/05/04 Posts: 5719 Loc: Brisbane, Australia	We don't do offerings at our church - there are envelopes in the back of the pews and a box at the back of the church, and it's completely freewill. And we do about as well as most churches, without having it in people's faces... _________________________ Bravus's Blog is linked in Bravus's signature which also contains his name as requested by LynnDel
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#20509 - 01/11/05 05:29 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Thanks for the input Bravus... Ya see..the PUC pres office is in Westlake Village..part of the cursed Southern California.. ya know..the place where the song says they say it never rains in Southern California... probably will never get the latter rain either.. but, but, but... I need to be positive... ok God WINS! Jesus loves all the little children..red and yellow... This little light of mine... Keep your eyes on Jesus..He will never leave or forsake anyone...not Hitler or Stalin or Osama or even Satan... He loves everyone..
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#20510 - 01/11/05 05:31 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	Ya mean you don't have someone up front quoting malachi every week??? Ye have ROBBED ME!!!!!
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#20511 - 01/11/05 05:46 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
LifeHiscost Registered: 06/14/03 Posts: 3842 Loc: Western United States	Quote: He loves everyone.. Even JimBob! Lift Jesus up!! _________________________ Lift Jesus up!!
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#20512 - 01/11/05 05:59 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
Sid Registered: 09/27/04 Posts: 1218 Loc: CA	I can relate to that lady in the article. Having just moved to a new area, I've been visiting different churches and have had similar experiences. Just this past Sabbath, I was walking to my car, and saw this one fellow about my age, and I nodded and smiled. He kind've looked at me like "what the heck?" Hehe. But it's cool, I'm still going to go back to that church of course. I loved the sermon and the diversity there. And about Sunday churches. I've also wanted to check some of them out during the week. I've met random strangers who have invited me there. They seem to be so on fire for Jesus.
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#20513 - 01/11/05 08:01 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Send Alicia Adams a quick note...and put in your vote!! http://www.pacificunionrecorder.com/contact.html
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#20514 - 01/12/05 05:21 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Ah California ..the land of...
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#20515 - 01/13/05 09:06 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Michelle Registered: 03/19/01 Posts: 1186	Especially living in mainland areas visitors tend to be ignored. In HI, they are very obviously noticed and reached out to, etc (most of the churches have a putluck every Sabbath just so that tourists/visitors don't have to look for someplace to go after church). Here, visitors are very obviously noticed and reached out to as well. In our former church in MI, depends on your demographics--if you had young children, most of the time you're ignored (the others of your demographic group are too busy with their own kids, and no one else wants to be bothered with small kids!). If you're young adult with no kids, you're welcomed right away by the leaders of the young adult group which was very active/flourishing/nurturing (the main area of growth in that church). If you're middle age, depends. I just joined a SS group that my husband does NOT teach. Enjoyed my first week there. (actually studied the adult lesson for the first time in 7 years, which was really different!) We sit wherever the boys lead us to in church (hopefully not too near the front in case we need to make an exit!). JimBob--I think about you and cell phones here. They are so prevalent in HK that there are some pretty bizarre things I've seen on the platform. Once the speaker's or translator's (I remember who it was, but don't remember if he was preaching or translating) mobile phone rang, and he just calmly handed it to someone else on the platform and went on speaking. Other times I've seen when our pastor is on the platform but not preaching, he's answered his phone and just talked right there on the platform, covering his mouth with his hand. No one thinks anything of it. Really strange. You'd love it! M
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#20516 - 01/13/05 05:01 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: Michelle W]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: JimBob--I think about you and cell phones here. They are so prevalent in HK that there are some pretty bizarre things I've seen on the platform. Once the speaker's or translator's (I remember who it was, but don't remember if he was preaching or translating) mobile phone rang, and he just calmly handed it to someone else on the platform and went on speaking. Other times I've seen when our pastor is on the platform but not preaching, he's answered his phone and just talked right there on the platform, covering his mouth with his hand. No one thinks anything of it. Really strange. You'd love it! M Thanks for the input. That pastor is fortunate that I am not the ministerial director for his area. As far as I am concerned...there should be NOBODY else up on the platform when the speaker is delivering the message. I do not yield on this, no compromise, and those who give some Aaron, Hur excuse are CLUELESS. I have seen people doing other stuff up there, talking , sleeping...it is PATHETIC and BARBARIAN. There should be some brave GIDEON/prophet type to go up and get in their face...!! Heads up...there are SONS OF SATAN AND DAUGHTER OF THE DEVIL IN THIS CHURCH...and some even get paid TITHE.
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#20517 - 01/13/05 07:33 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Nan Benevolent Physician Registered: 04/07/00 Posts: 5648 Loc: Sydney,Australia	Quote: As far as I am concerned...there should be NOBODY else up on the platform when the speaker is delivering the message You would approve of my church JB where no one has sat up the front for years. Those involved sit in the front pew and go up to the desk on onto the rostrum as needed. OTOH there are other things that would not make you happy there so dont rush to Oz to see us
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#20518 - 01/13/05 07:55 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: Alure19]
Anonymous Unregistered	thanks for the input.. down the yellow brick road....down the yellow brick road.. Toto, Toto..where are you??? What in the world did you do with your hair...you been to Hollywood??
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#20519 - 01/13/05 11:05 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Kimberly Registered: 04/13/04 Posts: 118 Loc: Ca.	What's your issue Jim Bob? You sound so angry about the SDA church, why would you stay in it at all??????? Go to your buddy's church and maybe you will find what you need. You are so negative, this casts a bad light on the church for us new visitors considering joining. Maybe I should go to the Baptist church down the street from me??? Kim
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#20520 - 01/13/05 11:10 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
Kimberly Registered: 04/13/04 Posts: 118 Loc: Ca.	Or are you just being sarcastic, Jim Bob? You sound serious with all this anger directed towards the SDA church. You should check out www.carm.org. They have a debate board on the church and there are a lot of people there that can't stand the SDA church. I came here to find people that might like it. Kim
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#20521 - 01/13/05 11:20 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Thanks for the question. issue?...naaa..not singular...plural..issues. Ever been to a restaurant you like because of the food, service and ambiance?? How about where the service is bad, the food is cold or cheap portions, the silverware is dirty, the glasses have lipstick on them, the waiter or waitress is rude..the place is noisy and filthy... get it?? I am a baptized SDA for over 30 decades..but have been to other churches...especially the ones with very competent pastor teacher who teach the word in a clear and relevant way and the scripture exposure is much more than most SDA churches I have attended (with a very few encouraging exceptions)...and the people are friendly and there is reverence in the meeting place. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.. same thing aplies to TV, or movies...some are 4 star and some are dogs. When the Baptist church will have the speaker mention righ from the pulpit to please turn off cell phones and also put it in the bulletin...when the speaker will usually have an interesting bible study with contemporary application ..with depth and intelligence...verses .. the NFDMTTS of most inept SDA preachers... Do some shopping ... The SDA doctrine is closest to the bible compared to others..yet it is ignored in the preaching.. usually just shallow pablum.. Jesus loves you..this I know.... Keep your eyes on Jesus.. He will never leave you.. He forgives you..now show me the money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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#20522 - 01/14/05 12:48 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Neil D Today, I ain't for sale. Check back tomorrow. Registered: 08/10/00 Posts: 11499 Loc: Ca., Id, Wa., Or. or somewhere...	Quote: I am a baptized SDA for over 30 decades.. Wow! This puts the advice of "Respect your elders" in a whole new light! _________________________ Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana
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#20523 - 01/14/05 01:55 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: res0pgdo]
Jeannieb43 Princess of Pasadena Registered: 12/29/01 Posts: 2226 Loc: California	Quote: Quote: I am a baptized SDA for over 30 decades.. Wow! This puts the advice of "Respect your elders" in a whole new light! Neil, you're just too fast for me. I was trying to get there first, so I could comment that that makes him about 300 years old. But anyway, we all love you JimBob. _________________________ Jeannie ...Change is inevitable; growth is optional....
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#20524 - 01/14/05 02:16 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: alisha]
Anonymous Unregistered	That's ok.. I have symptoms of 1/2heimer's so I forget things too.. Decade =10 years century= 100 years Sometimes I feel I am 300 years old though
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#20525 - 01/14/05 02:18 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: alisha]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: But anyway, we all love you JimBob. Uh..I think you better take another count.
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#20526 - 01/14/05 02:20 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: alisha]
Kimberly Registered: 04/13/04 Posts: 118 Loc: Ca.	No wonder JimBob is angry, he's been alive for over 300 years! Sorry, had to give my 2 cents worth. Jim Bob, if you don't like the cell phones, tell someone to put it in the bulletin or tell the pastor, doesn't that make sense? Also, just don't go there...I don't go to restaurants I don't like and I don't hang around people I dont' like. How about another SDA church? There's one right down the street from me, but they're lifeless...so I drive 15 minutes to go to a better one. Kim
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#20527 - 01/14/05 02:21 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: res0pgdo]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: Wow! This puts the advice of "Respect your elders" in a whole new light! Awww..Neil..no matter how old I get....the Rodney Dangerfield stigma sticks... I am getting to understand how Noah felt.
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#20528 - 01/14/05 02:43 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: No wonder JimBob is angry, he's been alive for over 300 years! Sorry, had to give my 2 cents worth. Jim Bob, if you don't like the cell phones, tell someone to put it in the bulletin or tell the pastor, doesn't that make sense? Also, just don't go there...I don't go to restaurants I don't like and I don't hang around people I dont' like. How about another SDA church? There's one right down the street from me, but they're lifeless...so I drive 15 minutes to go to a better one. will be happy to collect 2 cents.. We drive 17 and the one that is 8 is/was worse. I lead a sabbath school class and my son likes to hear the pastor..He is a nice interesting guy...even though he does NFDMTTS. The people are ok..most probably nicer than me. John 10:10 just gets thwarted..
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#20529 - 01/14/05 02:51 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	Hey maybe that lady in the article is talking about me?? ALSo..so far didn't get a reply to 4 emails to the Union conference office... Did the lady in the article mean them???
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#20530 - 01/14/05 06:49 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
LifeHiscost Registered: 06/14/03 Posts: 3842 Loc: Western United States	Quote: John 10:10 just gets thwarted.. "and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life" John 5:40 "And I, if I be lifted up.... will draw all men unto me." John 12:32 Lift Jesus up!!
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#20531 - 01/14/05 06:56 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
Kimberly Registered: 04/13/04 Posts: 118 Loc: Ca.	I love the flying dove on your signature! Kim
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#20532 - 01/14/05 06:59 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Kimberly Registered: 04/13/04 Posts: 118 Loc: Ca.	I'm surprised to hear that you lead a SS class. You just sound so bored by it all. I guess since it is fairly new to me(going to church) I am interested in it. I think churches could work at being friendlier to visitors. I went to a SDA church that handed out small gifts to the visitors and really welcomed them. That's how it should be. The church members really need to reach out and keep in touch with visitors. The leader of my Bible study does just that, and she keeps me wanting to come back. Being nice to people and really caring does help! Kim
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#20533 - 01/14/05 08:02 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
LifeHiscost Registered: 06/14/03 Posts: 3842 Loc: Western United States	Quote: I came here to find people that might like it. Kim Kim, One very important reason that has kept me in the Adventist church for approximately 45 decades, I mean 4.5 decades and still loving it, as well as loving all those in the body of Christ who are not yet Seventh Day Adventists, is a personal recognition that the Holy Spirit has taken responsibility for my eternal safety (by invitation) as opposed to the many who might find it debatable that I belong here. There have been many small incidences, as well as those more notable, that have made it more clear than was initially true when first making the committment to the espoused remnant church, that continue to verify the choice was the right one. This in spite of some evidence to the contrary. But then the Lord of glory was murdered in His own church by those who claimed to be searching for the Messiah. Can His true disciples expect any different at certain times, at least by some of the religious of today, not to mention the irreligious? "It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign the members of his household" Matt 10:25 Lift Jesus up!!
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#20534 - 01/14/05 04:22 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: I'm surprised to hear that you lead a SS class. You just sound so bored by it all. I guess since it is fairly new to me(going to church) I am interested in it. I think churches could work at being friendlier to visitors. I went to a SDA church that handed out small gifts to the visitors and really welcomed them. That's how it should be. The church members really need to reach out and keep in touch with visitors. The leader of my Bible study does just that, and she keeps me wanting to come back. Being nice to people and really caring does help! Kim Good post..My pastor buddy does that too..gives out pens and small popular religious books. The sabbath school class is nowhere a boring one..when the SS superintendent manhandled the schedule to cut out 30 minutes of the class time...protests came in right away... We are working on overturning that now. I had 2 members say they are not coming back to church because of the schedule change.. what is boring is the worship service...except for the sermon..yet that is lacking in scripture exposure and teaching...I find that in almost all places in SDA churches..
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#20535 - 01/14/05 06:13 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: sweettrini]
Jeannieb43 Princess of Pasadena Registered: 12/29/01 Posts: 2226 Loc: California	I perceive that you are not a musician or a music afficionado. _________________________ Jeannie ...Change is inevitable; growth is optional....
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#20536 - 01/14/05 06:30 PM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: alisha]
Anonymous Unregistered	I appreciate GOOD to Excellent music.. I constantly encourage those who do good special music and make nice comments about anything that is good or better quality...to them and other worshippers... Piano playing, other instruments, solo singers..anything..I don't just leave the building..I make it a point to thank them for the great music.. I just did that at the Baptist church after a great solo at the end of the service.. I constantly thank the piano player at the SDA church I go to now.. What gets me is when someone picks out an obscure hymn...the pianist plays slower than 33RPM..because no one leads the audience in correct tempo....the singing sounds like a funeral march and we have to sing 4 verses and it seems to take all morning.. give me a break..as I run out of the church parking lot.. Also...I know how to sing on pitch and have a fairly good voice myself..to some people's surprise..
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#20537 - 01/15/05 05:52 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
LifeHiscost Registered: 06/14/03 Posts: 3842 Loc: Western United States	Quote: I love the flying dove on your signature! Kim Wish I could claim the original thought, but I believe it was the Holy Spirit. Of course sent through His servant. "And there is nothing new under the sun." Eph 1:9 Lift Jesus up!!
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#20538 - 01/15/05 06:00 AM Re: Time to stop playing church?? - Pac Union Conf pres speaks [Re: ]
LifeHiscost Registered: 06/14/03 Posts: 3842 Loc: Western United States	Quote: Quote: I love the flying dove on your signature! Kim Wish I could claim the original thought, but I believe it was the Holy Spirit. Of course sent through His servant. "And there is nothing new under the sun." Eph 1:9 "So I said, "Oh, that I had wings like a dove! I would fly away and be at rest" Psalms 55:6 " "I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him." John 1:32 Lift Jesus up!!
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