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#23326 - 01/24/05 04:50 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
Jerry D Thomas Offline
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I think that God isn't looking for good behavior, He's looking for changed hearts. When we really surrender our lives to Jesus, He doesn’t give us new arms and legs so that we can act differently. He gives us a new heart, so that we actually are different.

One of the things that strike me from this chapter is how because of their nit-picky rules, it became impossible to keep the law. Those who were sincerely trying to do the right things, carried an extremely heavy burden of guilt. This led to discouragement, of course, skewed their understanding of God, and made their religion a hated thing.
I expect that we do the same thing sometimes when we try to dictate and enforce lifestyle issues for those around us in the name of God. I suspect that this is why too many of our younger generations have turned away from the religion they grew up with.

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#23327 - 01/24/05 06:23 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
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Weren't these nit-picky rules the same rules given to them by God? If so, why would God give so many nit-picky rules to follow?

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#23328 - 01/24/05 06:28 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
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Nico,

If you wrote it, I'd do everything I could to share it. I think, perhaps the best way I could share it would be with my Pathfinder connections. It definitely belongs in a nature honor as a required devotional study!

When are you going to write a book, anyway?

(Ahem. Mr. Thomas, we have another very talented writer in our midst.)

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#23329 - 01/24/05 07:32 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
Nicodema Offline


Registered: 11/22/03
Posts: 777
Loc: Beyond your grasp
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I think that God isn't looking for good behavior, He's looking for changed hearts. When we really surrender our lives to Jesus, He doesn’t give us new arms and legs so that we can act differently. He gives us a new heart, so that we actually are different.

One of the things that strike me from this chapter is how because of their nit-picky rules, it became impossible to keep the law. Those who were sincerely trying to do the right things, carried an extremely heavy burden of guilt. This led to discouragement, of course, skewed their understanding of God, and made their religion a hated thing.
I expect that we do the same thing sometimes when we try to dictate and enforce lifestyle issues for those around us in the name of God. I suspect that this is why too many of our younger generations have turned away from the religion they grew up with.




That's an excellent summary of this chapter, Jerry! Thank you for posting it.
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#23330 - 01/25/05 01:42 AM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: CaregiverDee]
Jerry D Thomas Offline
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Registered: 11/15/04
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Loc: Texas
Actually, the nit-picky rules were the ones they made up for themselves. If you'll forgive a quote from Messiah, chapter two also,

"As they drifted further from God, the Jews mostly lost sight of the meaning of the rituals and services in the temple. Jesus Himself had started that service and every part of it was a symbol of Him. But the Jews had lost all the meaning and were only going through the motions. They trusted the sacrifices and rituals, instead of trusting the God to whom those rituals pointed. To make up for the lost meaning, the priests and rabbis added more and more rules of their own. And the more rules they had, the more judgmental they became, and the less of God's love they showed. They considered themselves holy, but pride and hypocrisy filled their hearts.
With all their minute, nit-picky rules, it became impossible to keep the law."

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#23331 - 01/25/05 01:50 AM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: CaregiverDee]
Jerry D Thomas Offline
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Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 108
Loc: Texas
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Nico,

If you wrote it, I'd do everything I could to share it. I think, perhaps the best way I could share it would be with my Pathfinder connections. It definitely belongs in a nature honor as a required devotional study!

When are you going to write a book, anyway?

(Ahem. Mr. Thomas, we have another very talented writer in our midst.)





From all I've read, I think you're right (and stop with the Mr. Thomas--I'm not that old). Nico, we are in constant need of fresh voices with something significant to say. It seems to me that you qualify on both counts. Write!

Jerry

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#23332 - 01/25/05 11:26 AM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
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Posts: 4045
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With all their minute, nit-picky rules, it became impossible to keep the law."




And what was that Law that was no longer possible to keep.

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself."
Luke 10:27,28

Lift Jesus up!!

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#23333 - 01/25/05 02:07 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
Nicodema Offline


Registered: 11/22/03
Posts: 777
Loc: Beyond your grasp
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From all I've read, I think you're right (and stop with the Mr. Thomas--I'm not that old). Nico, we are in constant need of fresh voices with something significant to say. It seems to me that you qualify on both counts. Write!

Jerry




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Thanks for the vote of confidence. Wow that makes two (published book authors), you and Stephen King, who have told me to write or to keep writing. I write constantly. The only problem is, I am highly disorganized and don't know how to focus on one thing long enough or follow an outline sufficiently to prepare anything of manuscript length/quality for publication. Do you think you could help me with something like that, Jerry? Or are there other venues where shorter pieces work well -- you know what I'd really like to do is write Sabbath School lessons or more unique Bible studies than are out there now. Now THAT would work for me. What do you all think I'd be suited to writing for the King of Heaven? Ideas, please!


Edited by Nicodema (01/25/05 02:09 PM)
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#23334 - 01/25/05 08:17 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
Sid Offline


Registered: 09/27/04
Posts: 1221
Loc: CA
What about your testimony? I would definitely read that.

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#23335 - 01/25/05 11:23 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
Nicodema Offline


Registered: 11/22/03
Posts: 777
Loc: Beyond your grasp
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Yeah ... that could prove a bit difficult in my case, Sid. It's very hard to speak of where I've come from and where I've been, with any degree of accuracy or vicarious conveyance, without doing two things we don't want to do:

    (1) give glory (inadvertently of course) to satan;
    (2) provide an avenue of seduction/temptation he can exploit for others.
Some of the places I've been and things I've done are extremely provocative to the flesh and carry a heavy "forbidden fruit" allure for some people. It would be really tricky to figure out how to tell the story without "going there" too much YET without watering it down into rendering it pointless to tell at all.

Another matter is the issue of paradigms. I'm still exploring which one actually will cure (and thus accurately name) my condition at this point, as well as what it means to seek God in this condition and worship Him, and be used by Him, while still in this condition.

I have every faith His ultimate plan is for me to be delivered from these afflictions, but whether that means before He returns or after, I honestly cannot say. I would hope before, else I will never be able to effectively work for Him or represent Him here on earth in the end times and I don't think that's His plan. But I am only the clay; He is the Potter. I am His servant to do with as He wills. Nebuchadnezzar only took seven years to humble; I have already taken 21. That is because he was only an earthly leader; I am an earthly kingdom, and a proud and haughty queen over them at that. I really believe I will be released this year, but I cannot say for certain. I've been deceived before.

We should probably discuss this stuff elsewhere, folks, and save these threads for the Desire of Ages study ...
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