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#23316 - 01/23/05 06:09 PM Ch. 2: The Chosen People
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#23317 - 01/23/05 06:15 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: CaregiverDee]
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Had Israel been true to God, He could have accomplished His purpose through their honor and exaltation. If they had walked in the ways of obedience, He would have made them "high above all nations which He hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honor." "All people of the earth," said Moses, "shall see that thou art called by the name of the Lord; and they shall be afraid of thee." "The nations which shall hear all these statutes" shall say, "Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people." Deut. 26:19; 28:10; 4:6. But because of their unfaithfulness, God's purpose could be wrought out only through continued adversity and humiliation.





This section really spoke to me last night. Especially the sentence I've highlighted in bold. As Adventists, are we to consider ourselves as the "chosen people" of God? If so, are we faithful enough that God's purpose might not have to be wrought out only through continued adversity and humiliation?

On a more personal level, am I a "chosen daughter" of God? Indeed, I must believe I am. And so, I feel a more compelling urge this morning to put an end to the adversity and humiliation that I serve God with everyday.
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#23318 - 01/23/05 08:43 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: CaregiverDee]
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Page 28
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But the Israelites fixed their hopes upon worldly greatness.




That was their first mistake right there: the wrong focus, on the wrong end. Inevitably that leads to the wrong means which involve the wrong ways. We MIGHT err sometimes and adopt the wrong means to the (right) end, but we are SURE to err if we fix ourselves upon the wrong END in sight to begin with!!
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#23319 - 01/23/05 08:53 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
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(Page 28-29)

... the conviction became fixed that their prosperity depended upon their obedience to the law of God. But with too many of the people obedience was not prompted by love. The motive was selfish. They rendered outward service to God as the means of attaining to national greatness.




Here is the result of that above error. With their eyes still fixed upon the wrong goal, the wrong end, now the Israelites have learned a valuable life lesson: prosperity of any kind depends upon obedience to the laws by which God governs our universe, or at least our little world inside it. However, notice what this leads to: conforming to "outward service" -- a particular lifestyle, culture, set of manners, a moral straitjacket as it were -- to what end? "as the means of attaining national greatness." They STILL did not TRUST and LOVE God. They wanted what HE promised ... but they wanted to get it on their own rather than let Him GIVE it to them!! At this point we are not talking mere stubbornness or rebellion -- we are talking blindness at best and sheer bondage beyond that. This is a serious matter, a grave condition only a Redeemer who could give sight to the blind and proclaim liberty to the captives, could heal.

How many of us get caught in this trap today? Tithing because if we don't we know our finances will cave in or God's much-needed help might be removed is one example ... what about Sabbath keeping so we don't lose the blessing ... or any other kind of outward service for selfish gain ... how do we get ourselves OUT of those spots if we find ourselves in them? Anyone?
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#23320 - 01/23/05 09:24 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
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(Page 29)
They did not become the light of the world, but shut themselves away from the world in order to escape temptation to idolatry. In the instruction given through Moses, God had placed restrictions upon their association with idolaters; but this teaching had been misinterpreted. It was intended to prevent them from conforming to the practices of the heathen. But it was used to build up a wall of separation between Israel and all other nations. The Jews looked upon Jerusalem as their heaven, and they were actually jealous lest the Lord should show mercy to the Gentiles.




Bravus brought up the thought elsewhere about what happens when we shut ourselves up into "Adventist ghettoes." Some who have grown up that way or lived that way for many years probably understand the negative effects of that far better than I ever could. To me, it almost seems like it could be a foretaste of heaven -- if I were not such a misfit/outsider type myself that I simply cannot navigate people-group structures (cliques, pecking orders, hierarchies) AT ALL!!

But anyway, EGW makes it clear here what the problem is: a wall is built that separates those intended to be lights in this dark world from those who need that light God longs to shine through them. This wall can soon take on ominous overtones of bigotry, rivalry, and a desire to own/control/horde God's blessings entirely to themselves. Can you imagine a nation that thinks it is exclusively God's own people, to the point where they look down on other nations and believe they have the right to horde the blessings God has bestowed upon them to themselves? I see two potential applications here -- one to how we SDAs relate to other churches (as well as to the rest of the world's diverse people groups and cultures); and another, as an American I see a warning about how America regards herself in relationship to other nations and peoples in this world. Particularly a warning for those Americans who believe this is supposed to be a "Christian nation" and all of that, which notions you well know, I do not share, for various reasons.

In that light, I see a third warning here about how we as Christians involve ourselves in the affairs of other people's lives, especially people who do not share our faith. Some very slick wordsmiths often make clever arguments about how if Christian folks will not support their political causes, they are the same as if condoning the sins of the people against whom these slick tongues are crusading. The Bible does say "Come out from among them and be ye separate," and I totally agree with that principle. However, we should remember -- in light of the above paragraph -- that separation is only meant to keep us from conforming to their practices. It does not call upon us to actively engage ourselves in fighting them to force them to change; this will NEVER convert them in heart and may in fact destroy all chance of so doing!!!

Rather, the purpose of mingling ourselves with the world, being in it but not of it, is, in fact, to be as salt and light, which are preservatives, flavor-enhancers and illuminators. It is by such means as THOSE are we to exert an influence in the world, truly winning hearts and minds for Christ without one flicker of resort to the coercive measures of the world.

Mingling with those who do not know Christ, to seek to meet their needs, win their confidence, and bid them follow Him, is being in the world but not OF it. The weapons of our warfare are NOT carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds! On the other hand, going forth with a loud war cry, seeking to meddle in the affairs of others' lives with judgment, criticism and condemnation, to attempt to deprive them of their just and civil rights as human beings, to condone bigotry and oppression against them, to label, villianize and/or demonize them, and through legislature attempt to force them to conform to our demands, constitutes not only being IN the world FAR too much, but ALSO BEING ENTIRELY OF IT AS WELL. And that is not to what we are called, my brothers.
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#23321 - 01/23/05 11:49 PM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
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How many of us get caught in this trap today? Tithing because if we don't we know our finances will cave in or God's much-needed help might be removed is one example ... what about Sabbath keeping so we don't lose the blessing ... or any other kind of outward service for selfish gain ... how do we get ourselves OUT of those spots if we find ourselves in them? Anyone?




I have a hard time interpreting my motives when I pay tithe, keep the Sabbath, do the "Lord's will". It is truly difficult for me to piece apart the why from the what I do.

For the most part, I believe that tithing and keeping the Sabbath are things that God desires that we do. I believe that when we do these things we are pleasing God. I'm not certain that this is as far as God wants us to take this, however.

I've been nursing the thought that God really wants us to want to do the same things He wants. (Is this making any sense?) I believe He wants us to desire to do good. Not necessarily because it is something He wants us to do.
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#23322 - 01/24/05 12:05 AM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
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At the time of the birth of Christ the (1)nation was chafing under the rule of her foreign masters, and (2)racked with internal strife. The Jews had been (3)permitted to maintain the form of a separate government; but nothing could disguise the fact that they were under the Roman yoke, or reconcile them to the restriction of their power. ... The people were subjected to their merciless demands, and were also heavily taxed by the Romans. This state of affairs caused widespread discontent. Popular outbreaks were frequent. (4)Greed and violence, distrust and spiritual apathy, were eating out the very heart of the nation.
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(5)Hatred of the Romans, and national and spiritual pride, led the Jews still to adhere rigorously to their forms of worship. The priests tried to maintain a reputation for sanctity by scrupulous attention to the ceremonies of religion. (6)The people, in their darkness and oppression, and the rulers, thirsting for power, longed for the coming of One who would (7)vanquish their enemies and restore the kingdom to Israel. They had studied the prophecies, but without spiritual insight. Thus they overlooked those scriptures that point to the humiliation of Christ's first advent, and misapplied those that speak of the glory of His second coming. (8)Pride obscured their vision. They interpreted prophecy in accordance with their selfish desires.




These paragraphs make me think of the state of Christendom within the United States in our day and age, and perhaps in the world in general, though I really only have knowledge of how things are in the States.

  • (1)"Chafing under rule..." -- Basically in the USA there is a lot of unrest with the right-wingers who are basically the mainstream of fundamental and evangelical churchgoers in our nation. They are chafing under the rule of ANY secular authorities altogether, to the point where the more extreme among them advocate a return to theocracy, and even the less extreme are still, despite the election for a second term of a president hand-picked by their own kind, dissatisfied and complaining that liberal spin rules everywhere and atheists are out to rule the nation and they are the poor persecuted victims. They simply can't bear having anyone over them that does not share their views, values and goals. They are like the Israelites, chafing at Roman rule.

  • (2) "... racked with internal strife ..." -- the discord and division within Christendom is at an all-time high. Never before have there been so many sects, splinter groups, divisions, subdivisions, denominations, etc. with each of these torn apart by infighting, plagued by clergy corruption, child sex abuse scandals, and as much breakdown of the home and family as "the world out there" experiences, statistically speaking. Reports in Christianity Today magazine, I believe, have recently confirmed as much. Christendom is a house divided ... what does that tell us? She is now Babylon, the habitation of demons. How is the faithful city become an harlot!

  • (3) -- "permitted to maintain" -- yes, the churches are still allowed to run themselves and enjoy tax exempt status; but this still cannot disguise that this status is the carrot and at the end of that carrot lies the stick. A favor from the government means a tie to the government; any curry of favor from the State makes incumbent an oath of debt to the State even an'it be a silent one. While some complain the tide of secular interests, popular culture, consumer trends all wash away their voice from the public square like a flood, in reality what troubles them the most are that the last remaining vestiges and artifacts of a system of checks and balances, designed to serve a pluralist nation, currently hold them back and restrict them from their imperialist desires and indulging their thirst for power.

  • (4) "Greed and violence, distrust and spiritual apathy ..." -- do these not sum up the core symptoms of our modern malaise as a people in the post-industrialized Western world?

  • (5) -- these are the chief attitudes of Christendom today in general, or at least the vocal and politically aggressive variety: hatred for the "Romans" (secular leaders and people groups) as well as national and spiritual pride (arrogance). Especially in America, a false pseudo-patriotism is woven and stirred into every piece of flag-waving rah-rah rhetoric pumped out by the crowd-rilers.

  • (6) -- We see the same dichotomy active in the USA today, with the leaders thirsting for power leading the people blinded with darkness through the nose, promising them everything they want and delivering nothing, excusing all, and passing themselves off as just like those they serve while in secret trampling upon their backs and laughing at them all the way to the bank -- and lo and behold, "My people love to have it so! But what will ye do in the end thereof?" (Jer. 5:31)

  • (7) -- Compare this to how many popular eschatological (end-time) scenarios are out there now FLOODING the Christian pop-culture market (books, movies, etc.) which depict a triumphal Christ stepping into Jerusalem in time to slaughter all "our" enemies (whom we conveniently deem to be His enemies too, nevermind we are talking about a God who first said "LOVE THINE ENEMIES" and THEN through Ellen White told us He would return AFTER "the character of Christ is perfectly reproduced in His people..." ...

  • (8) -- Let us pray, therefore, it shall not be so with us.

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#23323 - 01/24/05 12:13 AM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: CaregiverDee]
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I've been nursing the thought that God really wants us to want to do the same things He wants. (Is this making any sense?) I believe He wants us to desire to do good. Not necessarily because it is something He wants us to do.




I think this is a good thought. I think another good thought to add to this is to remember this is HIS work to do IN us. We cannot change ourselves but we can give Him our hearts and say yes to His offer, and then trust in His time and His ways even if we don't think we see anything happening. So often we try to yank out things ourselves and end up yanking out stuff He's planting there, like a little kid trying to help Mom weed the garden who keeps pulling out the flowers Mom just carefully replanted YET AGAIN ... or breaking off the new shoots of weed so Mom can't see them to grasp the stalks and get them out by the roots (hence they will return YET AGAIN) ... hey this would make a good children's story! ....LOL
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#23324 - 01/24/05 02:36 AM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: ]
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Yes it would...
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#23325 - 01/24/05 04:37 AM Re: Ch. 2: The Chosen People [Re: CaregiverDee]
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If I write it, will you use it at your church and pass it around for others to use in SS and church if they wish?
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