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#24104 - 01/30/05 03:12 AM Ch. 4: Unto You a Saviour
Nicodema Offline


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For online reading: Ch. 4: Unto You a Saviour
This chapter is based on Luke 2:1-20.
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#24105 - 01/31/05 05:55 PM Re: Ch. 4: Unto You a Saviour [Re: ]
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I found this thought near the end of chapter four to be deeply touching, perhaps because I have children of my own. We speak often of the sacrifice Jesus made in coming to this world. We don’t often think about the sacrifice God the Father made in sending His Son. How much easier it would be to go yourself into danger rather than send someone you love!
“Every father worries over his children. Looking into their faces, he can’t help but tremble at the dangers of life. There is nothing he would like more than to protect those children from Satan, to keep them safe from harm and temptation. Yet God sent His only Son into this world to meet even greater dangers, to take even greater risks so that our children could be forever safe someday.”

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#24106 - 02/02/05 10:51 PM Re: Ch. 4: Unto You a Saviour [Re: ]
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Could the reason God sent His Son be that God is the only One who could have raised Jesus and given the gift of eternal life?

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#24107 - 02/02/05 11:04 PM Re: Ch. 4: Unto You a Saviour [Re: CaregiverDee]
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I am greatly impressed by what I see as the theme running through this chapter: that all the signs had been given and yet it seemed almost no one knew the Redeemer was arriving that night. No one waited to greet Him. No one had room for Him. No celebration or reception had been planned in advance for Him.
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#24108 - 02/02/05 11:25 PM Re: Ch. 4: Unto You a Saviour [Re: ]
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And again, with the parallelism, I'm afraid this is exactly how well I am prepared today. Thinking I really know Who it is I am looking for, but not really sure of the Him that He is.

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#24109 - 02/03/05 04:59 AM Re: Ch. 4: Unto You a Saviour [Re: CaregiverDee]
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Well I don't know everything, Chrys, but this much I know: He cannot be a monster. Because if He were, it wouldn't matter. I'd want to be dead. Y'know? So He simply can't be.
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#24110 - 02/03/05 05:06 AM Re: Ch. 4: Unto You a Saviour [Re: ]
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The experience in Nazi Germany gave the world a taste of where fascism leads and what are its results. Whatever else Jesus Christ is or may be, and however -- right or wrong -- I or anyone else might conceive of Him, I find nothing to indicate He would in any way support or condone such attitudes, policies, or governors.

I'm sorry; I would not be one to claim Jesus is a liberal hippie, but I will definitely state with all certainty that there is no way on earth or in heaven that He would be a jackbooted fascist thug, either. And considering his teachings about money, I seriously doubt He'd wh*re Himself out to corporate fascism either. Those in support of such things have far more rethinking to do about their supposed "jesus" than anyone concerned about the health of the planet, world peace, or the welfare of the poor. (In my opinion.)
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