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#27382 - 02/25/05 05:09 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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Why did He first give them such a detailed study from the Scriptures concerning His death, burial, and resurrection?




Because He was a competent teacher who knew of the shortcomings of NFDMTTS!!
Sheesh!!!

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#27383 - 02/25/05 07:03 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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How would you explain it, for example, at the funeral of a good Christian?




Different than at a funeral of a bad Christian?

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#27384 - 02/25/05 07:07 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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(2) Consider what a difference it made in the lives of the apostles that they served a risen Savior and not just a martyr whose memory they could revere. What difference does it make to you personally that you serve a risen Savior and are not merely honoring a deceased hero of ancient fame?






HEB 2
"15": And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

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#27385 - 02/25/05 08:26 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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How does the fear of death make us subject to bondage "all our lifetime"?
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#27386 - 02/25/05 11:17 PM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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Think of Shadrach,Meshach and what's his name..verses Nebuchadnezzer

Think of intimidation and extortion..
also think of the lifestyle slavery of having no future past 3 score and 10 or less...
hedonism..desparation...whatever

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#27387 - 02/26/05 01:32 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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It's the latter that I associate most with that passage.

I think you're conflating Nebuchadnezzar with Belshazzar ... LOL ...
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#27388 - 02/26/05 01:43 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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They began to realize the nature and extent of their work, to see that they were to proclaim to the world the truths entrusted to them. ... They were to proclaim the gospel of peace and salvation through repentance and the power of the Saviour.




This fits in with my conviction that our purpose here in this world is the same as that owned to by Christ Jesus, before Pilate, as the cause for which He came into this world: to bear witness to the Truth. Just as everyone who is of the truth shall hear His voice, so shall they hear His voice through us: "We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God." -- 2 Corinthians 5:20.
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#27389 - 02/26/05 02:29 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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[W]e, in a sense, must spiritually go through what Christ did: a death, not in a literal sense, but a death to self, a death to sin, a death to living for the flesh. But not only that, the same power that brought Jesus from the grave can bring us into "newness of life," a life where we are no longer under the dominion of sin and of the flesh. This is a crucial, inseparable part of the whole Christian experience.




Amen - no argument there...

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If someone were to ask you, "Have you gone through what Jesus and Paul both talked about in the above verses?" what would you answer? If your answer were Yes, and you were then asked "What was that experience like?" what would you say? Also, is what Paul talked about a one-time experience, or is it something that must go on continually? Explain your reply.




I would have to say it is something I have definitely experienced. However, that experience did not last, and right now more than anything else I just feel dead inside. Burnt out, tired, disconnected -- not jaded or negative, just all physical effects of stress on the brain. Apathy not as an attitude but as the cumulative effect of a constant drain upon my energy, a constant fatigue.

I'm already dead -- now I need the resurrection part ...
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#27390 - 02/26/05 05:50 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: ]
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It's the latter that I associate most with that passage.

I think you're conflating Nebuchadnezzar with Belshazzar ... LOL ...




Daniel 3??

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#27391 - 02/26/05 05:52 AM Re: SSL#9-He is RISEN-2/19-2/25 [Re: sweettrini]
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THE CONTROVERSY..."How should we then live"
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John 10
"10": The thief (Satan and his religious clergy) cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Matt 11
"28": Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

"29": Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
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Right after Jesus said this ...the narrative is related to religious controversy..(Matt 12)
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Most of modern religion offers the human a certain kind of rest..a substitute rest, a lazy boy, kick back, low effort..assent to the truth, exclusive, snob, NIMBY, bigoted rest. It really is a life robbing stress on the soul.

When God , grace, and gospel are improperly taught..rest is lost.

God offers His rest which involves life, law, and a lie.

Satan lied..God addresses the lie with death
Satan hates the law which infringes on his freedom...God's law is a law of liberty.
Rebellion results in blameshifting and shirking responsibility/accountability..
God absorbed the off loading and maximizes life.

Some isolate the view of atonement to the moral influence sector
Some isolate the view to the forensic sector...

God reveals a multifaceted solution...to the heart of the problem.

After a good rest one feels
REVIVED!

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