SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary

Welcome with open arms fellow believers who don’t see things the way you do.
And don’t jump all over them every time they do or say something you don’t agree with
– even when it seems that they are strong on opinions but weak in the faith department.
Remember, they have their own history to deal with. Treat them gently. Romans 14.1: The Message

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#28108 - 03/03/05 04:07 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: If you really think that puts the Father in a bad light then you must have problems with Jesus for this is the heart of His teaching and explanation as to why we are to love our enemies. He explicitly states, "that ye may be the sons and daughters of your Father in heaven, for He is kind to the unthankful and the evil, and makes the sun to shine and the rain to fall on the just AND the unjust..." Look at what historical segment is alluded to so much in this lesson.. If you are going to use the love enemy principle than the destruction of the the cities is a moot point.. Look at the scripture I pasted from the 1st post on the thread.. I remember speaking with Graham Maxwell a long time ago when I understood how much interpreting words differently could change a meaning of any passage. This was when he was involved in a "debate" with an SDA pastor scholar of a different persuasion of the atonement . Edited by JimBob7 (03/03/05 04:15 AM)
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#28109 - 03/03/05 04:13 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: Quote: Quote: No sinner is spared because he relies on Christ's righteousness..and nothing else. Really. Am I alone in thinking that's called, "the Gospel?" What else do we rely on? You're not alone, Ed. I share that thought. I have nothing else to rely on, certainly not anything in myself is going to save me. You are approaching my words subjectively... Go outside of yourself and think of the inhabitants of Sodom.. why were they not spared for Christ's sake? They were enemies..why didn't God forgive and let His enemies live longer, forever??? Here we go with the usual theological cliches heard from the pulpit , without any thinking the applications through. Please separate my thoughts and words from personalities...
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#28110 - 03/03/05 04:20 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: sweettrini]
ichabod Registered: 07/14/04 Posts: 2992	Quote: Look at words like cover the sins..for WHO? I don't think you're understanding either Maxwell or scripture. All of these things are metaphors. These metaphors were used in scripture to explain to people of that time what God was up to. If you isolate on one metaphor, you must understand the context in which it was used. We have adpoted the language because it is Biblical. But no single metaphor explains it all. Nor will they ever. Fortunately God and His ways are infinite, and we are but finite. The fact that each metaphor is inadequate does not mean that they are false--only incomplete. Completing our understanding will take eternity. We've heard a great deal about NFDM????? whatever the heck it is you always accuse others of. Well, how about some red meat here? Explain it to us in words we can understand. The real test of a teacher/preacher is not demonstrating how much he knows or can do, but how much those he teaches/preaches to can do. Oh, yeah, and put your words, sentences, and conclusions on the line.
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#28111 - 03/03/05 04:22 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: with the "wicked" (those outside Christ) benefitting from the blessing because of the presence of God's own in the world. Nico Hear is a key point.. You have made a specific point related to horizontal relationships... now use the same principle and apply it to the vertical relationship....the messed up one... The wicked are benefitting in the horizontal... stay consistent and so what I am driving at.
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#28112 - 03/03/05 04:29 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: We've heard a great deal about NFDM????? whatever the heck it is you always accuse others of. NFDMTTS
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#28113 - 03/03/05 04:30 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: sweettrini]
ichabod Registered: 07/14/04 Posts: 2992	Quote: Here we go with the usual theological cliches heard from the pulpit , without any thinking the applications through. Please separate my thoughts and words from personalities... I can understand why you'd want that last bit. The first sentence is arrogant, condescending, and rude. Apologize to Nico. For the most part I ignore your attitude theological superiority, but this is iniquitous. Someone (Nico) tries to understand what you are not communicating well, and you blame her for "not thinking." Well, "thoughtless" is the best light I can put on your comments toward her.
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#28114 - 03/03/05 04:31 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: All of these things are metaphors. These metaphors were used in scripture to explain to people of that time what God was up to. If you isolate on one metaphor, you must understand the context in which it was used. We have adpoted the language because it is Biblical. But no single metaphor explains it all. Nor will they ever. Fortunately God and His ways are infinite, and we are but finite. The fact that each metaphor is inadequate does not mean that they are false--only incomplete. Completing our understanding will take eternity. Oh..uh huh
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#28115 - 03/03/05 04:37 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: I am compelled to maintain that theme in all facets of soteriology, because anything less is disservice to God and discouragement to the souls for whom He gave His Son. But you will never find me looking to sneak "works" (the heresy of attributing salvific merit to human will or effort) into the package as my solution to the problematic errors of "divine anger management" theology. It's too much like trying to say we are saved (or not) by how we feel. What I am referring to is the God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself..theme point.. You know what I mean? verses the Jesus was the nicer one who left Beverly Hills heaven while the Father was ranting about how His law got broken and was looking for a quick fix
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#28116 - 03/03/05 04:39 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: ]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: I can understand why you'd want that last bit. The first sentence is arrogant, condescending, and rude. Apologize to Nico. For the most part I ignore your attitude theological superiority, but this is iniquitous. Someone (Nico) tries to understand what you are not communicating well, and you blame her for "not thinking." Well, "thoughtless" is the best light I can put on your comments toward her. Getting under your skin?? I am waitng for a PM from someone now.. Don't you know what takes place on Wednesday nights??? Roller derby and wrestling...sheessh... why do you think fewer and fewer SDA saints are attending mid week services? to watch it??? NO..because they are so bummed out on NFDMTTS and cliche metaphors that they are not BENEFITTING them!!! Edited by JimBob7 (03/03/05 05:01 AM)
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#28117 - 03/03/05 04:46 AM Re: SSL#10--The Heart of the Cross - Texts and Commentary [Re: sweettrini]
Anonymous Unregistered	Quote: I have nothing else to rely on, certainly not anything in myself is going to save me. If you have NOTHING.....then how can you be saved? And if everyone has NOTHING then all should be saved. And if all are not SAVED then we support Calvinistic predestination. Then God is a respector of persons.
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