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#29732 - 03/06/05 09:13 PM Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit"
Sid Offline


Registered: 09/27/04
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Can be read online at: "The Passover Visit"

This chapter is based on Luke 2:41-51

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#29733 - 03/07/05 10:05 PM Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit" [Re: ]
Jerry D Thomas Offline
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One of the most striking thoughts in this chapter comes after Mary and Joseph find Jesus. In Messiah , the paragraph reads:

"Jesus’ answer to His mother showed for the first time that He understood His relationship to God. But for now, nothing changed between Jesus and His earthly parents. He returned home with them and worked for them like He had before. The mystery of His mission stayed hidden in His heart as He waited patiently for the right time to begin His work. For eighteen years after He knew He was the Son of God, He honored His obligations at home in Nazareth as a son, a brother, a friend, and a citizen."

For eighteen years after He knew He was the Son of God, Jesus continued in His duties at home. For 18 years!

It's like finding out that you've been named Bill Gates' sole heir, then going back to work or school the next day like nothing had changed. It's like holding the winning $100 million lottery ticket in your hand and saying, "I'll have to cash that in one of these days."

Of course, it was far more than those examples. Jesus began to see His place as the Messiah and the Sacrifice, but He was willing to wait for His Father's timing. What an amazing picture of faith--and patience.

Jerry D Thomas

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#29734 - 03/08/05 02:18 AM Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit" [Re: ]
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I'm sure Jesus was quite familiar with the layout of the Tabernacle in the days of Moses. At some point in time he must have realized that the Tabernacle/Temple was a miniature, human-sized model of something far away, in a place no human was able to visit.

Each piece of furniture in the human Sanctuary had its counterpart in Shaw-mah-yim, that is, "heaven". One of the functions of the human Sanctuary was to symbolically store requests to delete evil acts or thoughts from one's life record, then, on the yearly Day of Atonement, the repented-of evil acts and thoughts were symbolically removed from the individual's life record. There was a serious problem if any evil remained unrepented-of.

One of the functions of the real Sanctuary in the Kingdom of the Stars is to store every human's memories, including their unique DNA codes. Requests to delete evil acts or thoughts are also stored in the real Sanctuary, in a separate area from the life records storage area.

Not only would Jesus have seen himself as the sacrificial Lamb of the Passover, he would also have seen himself as the High Priest, entering into the Most Holy Place. At the beginning of the Cosmic Day of Atonement, Jesus, as "High Priest" removes the requested evil acts or thoughts from everyone’s life records.

What is the medium for storage and transfer of memories? When Jesus died on the cross, he gave up his spirit. It was this spirit who subsequently downloaded a copy of his memories into a new, mutation-free, defect-free body.

When any other human dies, they too give up their spirits. These spirits then return to Shaw-mah-yim where they download copies of their human’s memories into the life-record storage area.

I think Jesus understood the functions of both Sanctuaries, and his role as sacrifice, and High Priest, upon his first visit to the Temple in Jerusalem, if not before.

Aliensanctuary

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#29735 - 03/08/05 04:46 AM Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit" [Re: ]
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Aliensanctuary, welcome!

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#29736 - 03/08/05 05:31 AM Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit" [Re: ]
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Hah! There you are. I've been waiting for you. I had a feeling God would be bringing you here, even though I had no idea who you'd be (nor have I any idea who you are). Welcome.
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"After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot

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#29737 - 03/08/05 08:29 PM Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit" [Re: ]
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"If Joseph and Mary had stayed their minds upon God by meditation and prayer, they would have realized the sacredness of their trust, and would not have lost sight of Jesus. By one day's neglect they lost the Saviour; but it cost them three days of anxious search to find Him. So with us; by idle talk, evilspeaking, or neglect of prayer, we may in one day lose the Saviour's presence, and it may take many days of sorrowful search to find Him, and regain the peace that we have lost."

I can understand this, as I deliberately rejected the Spirit. I can feel the separation. This confirms that it's not just my imagination.

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#29738 - 03/09/05 04:06 AM Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit" [Re: ]
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Thank you for your kind remarks, Sid and Nicodema. I am very glad to meet both of you.

I was reading your posts in the 2nd Resurrection forum a few days ago, but was unable to post a reply there. I actually sent Nicodema a private message at that time, but it was rejected due to her quota of private messages being reached. She’s the only other person I’ve known to mention evil as being a virus. I think Nicodema is a she, that is. I apologize if you're not.

Here’s my definition of evil which I attempted to send to her:

What is Evil?

"Created by the Evil One himself, Satan, evil is the dark energy of chaos. It’s a highly contagious, fatal virus that brings ruin upon on everyone it infects, destroying goodness and beauty and peace. The virus of evil always brings selfishness, hatred, cruelty, conflict, destruction, disease, chaos, and death. To everyone embracing it, it causes permanent damage, leaving them even less able to resist its power over them."


Evil is a really nasty bug, and without outside intervention, we're all doomed, because we can't fight it on our own. It's the power of the spirit within each one of us that enables us to think the right thoughts and make the right choices.

Unfortunately, we do things to diminish our receptivity to the guidance of the spirit within. If we keep overriding our conscience, eventually, there's little hope that we'll make it to the Crystal Sea and stand before God in the Celebration of Victory after the final war between Good and Evil.

I suppose that's why we should focus on what we need to do to do things right, and spend little or no time complaining about what other's are doing wrong. This life is a test to see if we choose to obey God. We can't take anyone else's test for them and no one can take the test for us. There's no cheating in this. The best we can do is to help someone learn the right answers, if we think we have them...

Like EGW said in this chapter, it would be good for us to spend an hour a day thinking about the life of Christ.

There's some really interesting stuff in the Bible that just might blow your socks off, if you let it.

Aliensanctuary
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#29739 - 03/09/05 05:27 AM Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit" [Re: ]
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Registered: 11/11/03
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I like the thought of evil being a virus.

A bacterial infection is one that can be treated with antibiotics. A viral infection is one that only God can get rid of for ud--through the healing powers He puts in us!

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#29740 - 03/10/05 02:21 AM Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit" [Re: CaregiverDee]
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Loc: Northern California
Yes, Christine, I agree. I think that's how Jesus was able to heal people, even from a distance. It was the spirit in him that could cure sickness, rapidly repair DNA, replicate or change matter (food), and read minds.

When the Centurion requested that his servant be healed from a distance, he must have understood the process. Jesus' spirit communicated with the servant's spirit, which in turn did the actual healing.

It's this concept that is changing my thinking and behaviors. The "miracles" in the Bible have a better explanation than just magic words. The scientific community would have a good, snorting, laugh about the concept, I suppose, but if we understand this, why couldn't we be participants in the healing process just like Jesus and a few others were? Do we have to be virus-free, first?

Here's something else that I don't understand: Do all of us have evil spirits inside of us, too? Are these evil spirits causing diseases in us? I know this much, they're influencing certain humans to do horrific acts of violence.

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#29741 - 03/10/05 04:25 AM Re: Ch. 8 "The Passover Visit" [Re: ]
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Posts: 777
Loc: Beyond your grasp
Quote:

I was reading your posts in the 2nd Resurrection forum a few days ago, but was unable to post a reply there. I actually sent Nicodema a private message at that time, but it was rejected due to her quota of private messages being reached. She’s the only other person I’ve known to mention evil as being a virus. I think Nicodema is a she, that is. I apologize if you're not.




Yes, I am possessed of a body which is biologically female gendered. I suppose that makes me a "she" but only in the sense of Galatians 3:28.

I've cleaned out my PM box now so you can send me one if you like, or feel free to email, too. I was delighted to see your profile, too, and learn you are a writer as well. That really sparked me because I had a sense that the Lord was going to bring someone along who, if they so willed, could possibly partner with me on a writing project. When I saw your post I knew it was you. Of course, whether it's you or not depends on your choices, but I don't waste time anymore trying to be subtle, it never works anyway, so there you have it, cards on table.

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"Created by the Evil One himself, Satan, evil is the dark energy of chaos. It’s a highly contagious, fatal virus that brings ruin upon on everyone it infects, destroying goodness and beauty and peace. The virus of evil always brings selfishness, hatred, cruelty, conflict, destruction, disease, chaos, and death. To everyone embracing it, it causes permanent damage, leaving them even less able to resist its power over them."




I first conceived of sin as a cosmic virus by comparing its operation to that of the HIV/AIDS virus. I'm not a doctor nor do I pretend to be one, but as I understand it, HIV works by taking the very things that are made to fight against it (the "helper-T cells") and converting them into more HIV-virus cells. It occurred to me that sin operated much the same way -- taking those elements intended to be for strength inside us and in our lives and corrupting them into clones of itself instead. That was my first conception of sin as virus.

My next conception, of course, paralleled the computer virus infecting viable applications and riding parasite upon them (and replicating themselves through them) causing the application to become worthless at best and deadly at worst, ruining the function of the entire operating system in time, and requiring the attention of the Programmer to quarantine and cleanse the infected files -- and delete all traces of the virus from the system before a fresh clean reboot. You can imagine how surprised I was when I recently had the opportunity to watch the original computer animated series "Reboot" on DVD and discovered they'd incorporated something of a similar notion that seemed to me like a mini-apocalypse (complete with system crash and "re-creation" of the "world" afterwards).

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Evil is a really nasty bug, and without outside intervention, we're all doomed, because we can't fight it on our own. It's the power of the spirit within each one of us that enables us to think the right thoughts and make the right choices.




I'd say it's only through the Holy Spirit, really.

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Unfortunately, we do things to diminish our receptivity to the guidance of the spirit within. If we keep overriding our conscience, eventually, there's little hope that we'll make it to the Crystal Sea and stand before God in the Celebration of Victory after the final war between Good and Evil.




I can testify to this as well. Try nearly two decades of being owned and operated by Satan on for size in this regard. (I don't mean LITERALLY try it on, I mean think about it in that regard.) I've been with the Kidnapper longer than I've been with my Father, and the Kidnapper trained me to despise and fear my Father and to adore and worship him instead.

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I suppose that's why we should focus on what we need to do to do things right, and spend little or no time complaining about what other's are doing wrong. This life is a test to see if we choose to obey God. We can't take anyone else's test for them and no one can take the test for us. There's no cheating in this. The best we can do is to help someone learn the right answers, if we think we have them...




That's a really good way of putting it.

Again, glad you're here - whether you want to write together or not.
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"After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot

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