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#343425 - 03/11/10 08:26 PM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: Richard Holbrook]
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I don't see "Lessons from the Reformation" but that don't mean it's not in there. Besides I have it on in PDF format.

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#343429 - 03/11/10 08:34 PM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: Richard Holbrook]
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Why did you think it wouldn't be there. Tammy over at "The Narrow Way" and her husband, say that everything Jones wrote after 1895 is dangerous heresy.

What do you think of that?

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#343433 - 03/11/10 08:47 PM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: Richard Holbrook]
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Richard, as for the word Bondservants, read the first verse in Revelation. It is in my bible so I am sure that is where MM got it from too. The Father gave the revelation to His Son, who wanted to give it to His bondservants, but since He told the disciples He was not coming back until the wedding feast, He had to send and Angel to John, so John could write it down for these Bondservants living in the last generation, so that could read it and understand it. The context says nothing about anyone else understanding it--does it?

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#343442 - 03/11/10 09:07 PM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: Dr. Rich]
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I don't see anything exclusive there. His servants are His followers. I happen to be one. I understand you want to feel all exclusive like you are the only ones that God has seen fit to share truth with. But Jesus said whosoever will. Notice in verse three it says to he that reads or hears. Are you telling me I can't read it? That's not what Jesus said. For someone who supposedly follows Jesus, you sure have a lot of trouble with some of the things he says.

Jesus says believe or be damned, MM says: "no, don't believe, I don't believe in anything. Believe what? You don't need faith" Hmmmm.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

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#343447 - 03/11/10 09:17 PM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: Richard Holbrook]
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Daniel 12:10, "Only the wise will understand [hear], none of the wicked will understand". Isn't this exclusive?

Trouble is this, I assume, that most people think there is only one group of people going to heaven. In my study I find three. The three angel's message is for the third group, the bride who is found in Rev. 7:9- who can't be counted and come from within all races and nations. The first group, the 144k is what MM is talking about. The second group are yelled at to wake up and actually listen to them, they are the wise maids. These two groups are exclusive to the KOH and are sealed prior to the tribulation. I think this is the reason for the misunderstanding and confusion.

I asked the question once but did not get any answer. What does the 'hour' mean in these messages?

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#343449 - 03/11/10 09:18 PM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: Richard Holbrook]
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Richard: Reading is one thing, truth in understanding is quite another.

Notice the singular "he" and the plural "those", the "he" who reads, tells "those" who hear.

Matthew 24:45 Who then is the trustworthy and sensible bondservant whom his master put in charge of his household to give them their food (God's words) at the proper time...

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#343466 - 03/11/10 10:11 PM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: wayfinder]
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Ok you're right. You guys are the only three on the planet who really understand Bible prophecy. Because you are the wise people spoken of in Daniel. I can tell.

Just tell me what I need to do.

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#343477 - 03/11/10 11:22 PM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: Richard Holbrook]
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Did Jesus 'believe' in God as His Father, or did He KNOW that God was His father?

If you sincerely believe something is true that later turns out to be a lie are you still not held accountable for believing a lie? Many will go to God and say, "I really thought that what I believed was true because I heard it from someone who I trusted. Does that count for nothing?" Jesus will answer that person as he does for the five foolish bridesmaids.

"Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ Matt.25:11,12.

The door to the marriage feast is not opened to the five foolish bridesmaids, even though they eventually get to the door. These people sincerely believed a lie, yet that sincerity counts for nothing, it is ONLY THE RESULT that counts.

What one believes does skew thought processes. The reason that people still drive while intoxicated even after all of the publicity and threats of fines and imprisonment is that when you are drunk you are insensate and not in your right (correct) mind. You can't make a good decision because you are impaired. This is no excuse before the law, as many find out every day when they are thrown in jail for drunk driving.

In Scripture the penalty for being drunk with believing a lie as if it is the truth are very sever:

But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants and eats and drinks with drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt.24:48-51.

In this passage we see what will happen to the faithful and wise bondservant IF he goes back on what he has learned, and stops teaching his fellow servants the truth. [Secondary question: why would Jesus severely punish someone for not knowing when to expect the Master IF it is impossible for anyone to know when the Master is to return? This seem a touch arbitrary and vindictive, doesn't it?]

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#343488 - 03/12/10 12:03 AM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: Musicman1228]
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In this passage we see what will happen to the faithful and wise bondservant IF he goes back on what he has learned, and stops teaching his fellow servants the truth.


If the faithful bondservant goes back on what he has learned, then he is no longer faithful.

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why would Jesus severely punish someone for not knowing when to expect the Master IF it is impossible for anyone to know when the Master is to return?


Your whole premise here is false. The parable you use for a foundation to this question, says absolutely nothing about the bondservant being punished for not knowing when the master will come. All he has to do is remain faithful, and continue doing the right thing even though he doesn't know when it will happen. That's the whole point of the parable. LOL. It says so right there in verses 42,44.

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for you know not what hour your Lord does come.

Mat 24:44 Therefore be you also ready: for in such an hour as you think not the Son of man comes.

Nowhere does it say the bondservant will know, and nowhere does it say he will be punished for not knowing. It's telling him to remain faithful, because he does not know.

If he knew, then he wouldn't need to be faithful. According to your own definition of faith. The servant just needs to keep doing the right thing, and being faithful, so when the Master does come, that is what he will be found doing.

The whole point of the parable, is to convey the need to be ready. Not only have you missed the point, but as usual you have read something into it that isn't even there.



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#343489 - 03/12/10 01:15 AM Re: The "Everlasting" Three Angel's Message [Re: Richard Holbrook]
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Richard said, "Nowhere does it say the bondservant will know, and nowhere does it say he will be punished for not knowing. It's telling him to remain faithful, because he does not know."

Apparently you didn't read Matt.24:48-51, or if you did you ignored it. Either that or you just can't process this logically due to your ingrained 'belief', which was in my last post. Just because you don't understand something does not automatically make it untrue. Look at it again carefully and then ask the hard questions that are demanded to find the truth of it.

After you do this please answer the question "Why does the Master punish the faithful and wise servant?"

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