#345067 - 03/16/10 07:50 PM
Re: "Religion Needs Atheism"
[Re: LifeHiscost]
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[quote=abelisle]
" If all sides can muster enough courage and grace to step out of their own boxes, we might find ourselves in a new open space of life-giving tension."
The only box that will eventually be found to find security and everlasting joy, whether atheist , agnostic, or Christian, is this box provided by Jesus Himself. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."John 14:6 KJV "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."John 8:32 KJV "I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture."John 10:9 KJV "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." John 10:2 KJV Regards!!  Let me say "amen" to the above, LHC, with the caveat that these truths are WAY too big for the agnostic or the atheist boxes.
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#345070 - 03/16/10 08:46 PM
Re: "Religion Needs Atheism"
[Re: abelisle]
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karl,
I think you've failed to appreciate the "flavor" of this piece. This was not written to suggest we either "incorporate" the beliefs of atheists or "imbibe" in them.
It's really about "attitude" and I sense a negative one in what you and others have said. Being open-minded doesn't mean one becomes openly gullible or religiously compromising.
BTW, why is it perfectly okay for us to share the Gospel but refuse to even listen to those who don't know the Gospel. How convenient for you to say that Paul was "sharing" but quick to say that he wasn't "incorporating." Therefore I can only assume that you feel both articles are encouraging Christians to compromise what they believe if they even deign to listen to atheists/agnostics?
Alex (why does everyone so quickly take sides on just about everything that is said here?) You have to ask? pk
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#345139 - 03/17/10 05:26 AM
Re: "Religion Needs Atheism"
[Re: Bravus]
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If the behavior is no different in both, how is that better?
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#345140 - 03/17/10 05:28 AM
Re: "Religion Needs Atheism"
[Re: karl]
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And are atheists willing to step out of "their" box?
I very much doubt it.
Mark :-)
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#345159 - 03/17/10 08:26 AM
Re: "Religion Needs Atheism"
[Re: abelisle]
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Excellent thoughts here Alex. Thank you. This is so important. But you can be sure it will be rejected by the conservatives.
They think THEIR intrepretation of scripture is the absolute. So, why should they listen to anyone else.
This is where ALL communnication stops ... when one of the individuals ... thinks they have nothing more to learn. They then stop listening and stop learning.
Some think highly of their own puke.
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#345161 - 03/17/10 08:47 AM
Re: "Religion Needs Atheism"
[Re: abelisle]
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2 interestings views I see here:
1) Are Christians willing to step out of their box? Not here, that's for sure.
2) Some Christians in this thread love their fellow man so much, it makes them puke.
Alex (thinking to myself: "maybe they never read I Cor. 13?" )
If you read my 3 posts in this thread, I raised no objections regarding dialoguing with anyone including atheists. I did raise the question as to what possible ethical principles they could contribute. If you want to dialogue with them, fine. Good luck. I hope you can change someone's mind. And I mean that sincerely.
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#345169 - 03/17/10 10:07 AM
Re: "Religion Needs Atheism"
[Re: oldsailor29]
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atheists make me want to puke This is getting serious,oldsailor! I think you'd better take some maalox and go back to bed until you're feeling better.
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#345266 - 03/17/10 06:35 PM
Re: "Religion Needs Atheism"
[Re: doug yowell]
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To no one in particular. Are there really any atheist? They say they are until there stuck in a foxhole and the enemy is coming to kill them. So I would say a true atheist is like a true christian, not afraid to die! Would you not say?
pk
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