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How did He came back to life when there is no resurrection for those who die the 2nd death. So far my question has not been answered yet.

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I answered that question.... Christ’s divinity did not die...our sinful life from Adam died eternally. Sunday morning Christ gave of Himself (i.e., from His divinity) and raised us as a glorified people now able to walk through walls...no longer flesh and blood. Hence our sinful life died eternally at the cross.

"The many" examined in its context yields "all"....Read Paul again.

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Can anyone help me with answers.

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Lets blow away all the theological sophistry and nonsense.

There is only ONE kind of death. Some people get to do it TWICE. The "second death" is what happens at the end of the thousand years. Noone has done it yet.

We are nothing more (or less) than an incredibly complex chemical reaction. Put all the right atoms in the right places, and - voila - there is me.

Not all those atoms are needed to keep my memories, instincts, behavior patterns intact. Cutting off my arm, pouring glucose into my veins, or teaching me new tricks changes me, but does not make a new me.

When we "die" there are two steps.

First we loose consciousness - the ability of our brains to detect our environment and to form thoughts and memories. The critical and delicate chemical reactions in the brain have been disrupted.

Then we loose our chemicals - their own reactions destroy them, or we are cremated, or we get eaten by other organisms.

Consider, for example, the Japanese at ground zero in Hiroshima - instantly vaporized. Consider Terry Schiavo - critical brain chemistry destroyed but much of the rest functional.

God has the power to put together a new collection of atoms into the right configuration to restore all the memories, etc. that make "me". This is no different to a computer user backing-up and restoring their data.

So - did Jesus die the Second Death?

Of course not. The only difference between the First and Second is WHEN it happens and the fact that God won't resurrect you afterwards, not WHAT happens.

All this stuff about 'separation from God' etc. is just fancy nonsense.

/Bevin

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18: 20. Jesus never sinned so He had the power to take up His life at the call of our Father. If we die the 2nd death we have no power to take up our lives because we have sinned. By becoming one with us He could die for sin and we (humanity) being one with Him, through the flesh, died with Him at the cross. That's how God can justify us by grace and not contradict what is written in Ezekiel 18: 20.

If we want to experience that justification we must believe that God justifies the ungodly, (sinners) not by our works for we can only sin without Him, but by faith.

This answers the lies of Satan that started sin in Eden. Satan described God as selfish and Eve believed the lie and Adam went along with it. So death and sin were passed on to us all. Now we have the question asked to us, "Do you really believe God is love and would die the 2nd death and that He will justfy you the way you are?"

Your answer reveals what you believe God thinks about you and what you think about Him. If we say no, then we are left with our own works as a means of justification. If we say yes, then our life changes and we can rest assured that our salvation is secure in Christ. Walk, (or live) in this truth, not being tossed around by feelings or what you see or any teachings that may disturb you. As we live in that truth, God (the Trinity) will be revealed more and more and as we behold we are changed from glory to glory. All this is possible because Christ was willing to die the 2nd death.

Hope that helps

Norman

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So - did Jesus die the Second Death?

Of course not.

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Right...our fallen humanity died eternally "in Christ"....No coming back! That's the 2nd death - the no hope of a resurrection death....

In exchange Christ gave of Himself....Therefore "in Christ" we have a glorified humantiy in the heavenly places. See Eph 2:6 (if you even use your Bible)!

no... Just because Paul says that all men are justified, not all men would choose to be justified and in the end, saved. Robert, I hope you are not deceiving people by teaching universal salvation without free will!!! Dont be deceived and don't deceive.

"The many" does not equal "all men"

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Right...our fallen humanity died eternally "in Christ"....No coming back! That's the 2nd death - the no hope of a resurrection death....

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Hey, Robert and I agree on something!

Jesus died once.

People who are saved die either zero on one times and end up alive forever.

People who are not saved died either one or two times and end up no longer existing at all forever.

/Bevin