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#40471 - 05/24/05 03:57 PM Fashion police, look here!!!
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Remember this quote as you survey the landscape in church next Sabbath... There are many in the church who at heart belong to the world, but God calls upon those who claim to believe the advanced truth, to rise above the present attitude of the popular churches of today. Where is the self-denial, where is the cross-bearing that Christ has said should characterize his followers? The reason we have had so little influence upon unbelieving relatives and associates is that we have manifested little decided difference in our practices from those of the world. Parents need to awake, and purify their souls by practicing the truth in their home life. When we reach the standard that the Lord would have us reach, worldlings will regard Seventh-day Adventists as odd, singular, straight-laced extremists. "We are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men." {RH, January 9, 1894 par. 10} _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40472 - 05/24/05 04:30 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Neil D Today, I ain't for sale. Check back tomorrow. Registered: 08/10/00 Posts: 11812 Loc: Ca., Id, Wa., Or. or somewhere...	Wicklands, You call upon the members of C/A to survey the church with this quote in mind. I call upon you to declare your "self-denial, where is the cross-bearing that Christ has said should characterize his followers" ? And yeah, I admit to reversing the role here and put the onus on you. You see, I believe when we take this attitude that you declare we should have, we ruin any sort of possible relationship that God could plant with us. Does this attitude that you declare we should have, negate the counsel that EGW has given to us with your emphasis? I think not, however, that said, I would have to look at the context and circumstances surrounding this passage....And the truth of the matter is...I don't have time. I have bee to get ready for a nector run, I have a house that is 1/3 painted, I have some things to do to run for my wife, and you want me to have a critical attitude against the church? I am sorry, Wicklunds, but I just don't have time to be critical of the church, especially if they are as busy as I am....And I will not fault them for the work that the Lord has given to them. But I do find fault you with this attitude and spreading of an attitude that hurts people, and the recipient of this message... So I have only one thing to say to you- Shame on you... _________________________ Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana
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#40473 - 05/24/05 05:01 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: res0pgdo]
Bravus Husband and Father Registered: 09/05/04 Posts: 6096 Loc: Brisbane, Australia	Fashionpolice is the nickname of a dear online friend of mine from another forum, an American woman living in Denmark and working as a librarian. Completely irrelevant to this thread, of course, but the topic made me wonder where I was for a moment! Dennis, I agree, we're insufficiently weird and extremist. _________________________ If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
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#40474 - 05/24/05 05:02 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: res0pgdo]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	awwwwww!! And yet I feel that more "shame" should be applied to our dress and appearance. _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40475 - 05/24/05 05:05 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Nicodema Registered: 11/22/03 Posts: 777 Loc: Beyond your grasp	I'm curious to know in what ways we should be "weird and extremist". "Strait laced" to me seems to imply doing things very differently from the surrounding culture, perhaps having more restrictions on what we do and do not allow ourselves to do than the mainstream culture. But what does -- or can, or should -- "odd" mean? And where do we draw the line between being made a "spectacle" because God so ordains it versus making a "spectacle" of ourselves which might not be so healthy? Let's get some thinking going here ... _________________________ "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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#40476 - 05/24/05 05:12 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: res0pgdo]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Quote: Wicklands, You call upon the members of C/A to survey the church with this quote in mind. I call upon you to declare your "self-denial, where is the cross-bearing that Christ has said should characterize his followers" ? And yeah, I admit to reversing the role here and put the onus on you. You see, I believe when we take this attitude that you declare we should have, we ruin any sort of possible relationship that God could plant with us. Does this attitude that you declare we should have, negate the counsel that EGW has given to us with your emphasis? I think not, however, that said, I would have to look at the context and circumstances surrounding this passage....And the truth of the matter is...I don't have time. I have bee to get ready for a nector run, I have a house that is 1/3 painted, I have some things to do to run for my wife, and you want me to have a critical attitude against the church? I am sorry, Wicklunds, but I just don't have time to be critical of the church, especially if they are as busy as I am....And I will not fault them for the work that the Lord has given to them. But I do find fault you with this attitude and spreading of an attitude that hurts people, and the recipient of this message... So I have only one thing to say to you- Shame on you... The quote speaks for itself in and out of context. You could do the same with scripture. The point is, Niel, that I am not criticizing "the church" but I am calling attention to the prophet who had plenty to say to ALL of us who comprise the church. Most, I am afraid to admit, are like you, in that they have not a care in the world about how we appear to the world. That is why we are so like the world, almost indistinguishable from the world. Never fear, for Satan our adversary walks about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Let us not devour each other, even when rebukes and reform are being urged. Niel, you claim to be a champion of the church and hard at work, but my question is, do you care enough to enter into corrective dialogue when you perceive a problem? What "work" will we be doing to help our neighbor come to a saving knowledge of Christ? Is our nectar more important than the balm of Gilead? Does our own household have such a hold on us that we are following the world down into hellfire? If this is true then Lord help us break free and see our true place. _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40477 - 05/24/05 05:14 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Bravus Husband and Father Registered: 09/05/04 Posts: 6096 Loc: Brisbane, Australia	/me wanders off singing "They'll know we are Christians by our love"... _________________________ If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve
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#40478 - 05/24/05 05:17 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Neil D Today, I ain't for sale. Check back tomorrow. Registered: 08/10/00 Posts: 11812 Loc: Ca., Id, Wa., Or. or somewhere...	Quote: awwwwww!! And yet I feel that more "shame" should be applied to our dress and appearance. Maybe to YOUR dress, but why should you be worried about mine? Or Nico's or Amelia's or ....[insert any name you want]? You see, Wicklund, you have produce evidence that to MY way of thinking, you are beyond God's help. You have shown yourself to have God's standards in mind and passing judgement upon the condition of his people. In my way of thinking, you are cynical to any sort of explanation that God is working in thier lives. You are a religious cynic. And to me, a cynic is a person who is beyond God's influence, even the Holy Spirit. To my mind, you have rejected the concept that Holy Spirit works in other people's lives to influence them. You are beyond hope in this area...The evidence is your posts themselves. The posts themselves show you attempting to do the Lord's work by being the Lord Himself and ordering people to do what you see needs to be done. This type of attitude is counter productive to the Lord's work and to the church as a whole. Until you come to the attitude that people are attempting to do the best they can, inspite of all thier failings, you can never be the influence you so desire. Quote: The quote speaks for itself in and out of context. You could do the same with scripture. Not so. And the classic example is the texts that say "Judas hung himself" and "Go and do likewise." Without context, you could have a mass Jim Jones phenomina [sp]. Quote: The point is, Niel, that I am not criticizing "the church" but I am calling attention to the prophet who had plenty to say to ALL of us who comprise the church. Most, I am afraid to admit, are like you, in that they have not a care in the world about how we appear to the world. How do you know that I dont have cares in this world? How do you know what I am thinking? The only reference that you have is yourself in this area, and the assumption that I am thinking like YOU. Quote: That is why we are so like the world, almost indistinguishable from the world. Never fear, for Satan our adversary walks about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Let us not devour each other, even when rebukes and reform are being urged. "By beholding we become changed." I used to swear that I would never be like my verbally abusive grandfather. Guess what? I became verbally abusive. I took steps to counter that, but I had to put grandpa behind me and concentrate on something else. I choose to become as close to Jesus as I possibly could. My verbal abuse has dropped off tremendously. But I see it in others. And I point to Jesus when they want to know. I suggest that if you want others to change, you point them to the lovelyness of Jesus. If you can describe the loveliness of Jesus, you will influence them much better than the dysfunctional workings of rebuke and rejection and degration. Quote: Niel, you claim to be a champion of the church and hard at work, Whoa! I never made such claim. You, sir, are putting words into my mouth, and quite frankly, I don't like your reconstituted/prechewed words. They taste funny. Quote: ... but my question is, do you care enough to enter into corrective dialogue when you perceive a problem? Since I am pointing out your cynicalness and your very grand but subtle errors, your point is....? Quote: What "work" will we be doing to help our neighbor come to a saving knowledge of Christ? Is our nectar more important than the balm of Gilead? Honeybees have far more spiritual significance than you realize...After all, I don't know about you, but I do intend to go to the land of milk and HONEY. And the Lord is more sweet than honey, and honey is pretty sweet. Quote: Does our own household have such a hold on us that we are following the world down into hellfire? If this is true then Lord help us break free and see our true place. My own house does take precidence when I don't paint it, and if I don't paint it, I am required to replace the siding, which is a significant cost. As for my "household", the members of my household are my concern,[NOT yours] and I am not concened about them, as they have been given a good foundation in the Lord. Edited by Neil D (05/24/05 05:38 PM) _________________________ Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana
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#40479 - 05/24/05 05:21 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: res0pgdo]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	I guess the bees can wait until later...I was almost convinced that you were sincere, but then you came back and wanted to argue some more. So when Paul told the women to cover their heads, that was counter-productive to the Lord's work? If someone comes to church with their breasts half-exposed, and someone tells her to cover up, that is being counter-productive? Insane people!! Where are you? On what are you standing? Truth? Or fables? Sorry Niel, but we need to stop attacking each other and attack the lies of the devil with a UNITED front. United on the platform of truth and godliness. _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40480 - 05/24/05 05:54 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Nicodema Registered: 11/22/03 Posts: 777 Loc: Beyond your grasp	When Paul advised slaves to be obedient to their masters as a witness to the Lord, was he advocating slavery? Should we return to keeping human beings as slaves because Paul addressed a condition of his time and culture within the context of his day? _________________________ "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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