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#40491 - 05/24/05 08:10 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Gail, In my initial post did I implicate any church specifically? And EW's words are very cutting for any church. Not only for the Liberal, but for the conservative as well. This is for everyone, you, me, and our brother and sister who are members in the faith. I didnt speak the words, sister White did. The reaction they have received on this thread are a gentle reminder that we have forgotten the leading of God through His prophet(s). _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40492 - 05/24/05 08:16 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: Billy Dennis]
Tom Wetmore Latitudinarian Registered: 06/21/00 Posts: 1234 Loc: Silver Spring, MD, USA	Quote: /me wanders off singing "They'll know we are Christians by our love"... Bravus, I think you've got it! The context of the quote, that is... Notwithstanding what Dennis perceives as the appropriate context and application of his highlighted sentence, the context is really about how our schools should be fundamentally different in the education they give to our children. EGW's concluding sentences to this short article are most telling as to what will distinguish us from the "worldlings": Quote: "I am watching with intense interest, hoping to see our schools thoroughly imbued with the spirit of true and undefiled religion. When the students are thus imbued, they will see that there is a great work to be done in the lines in which Christ worked, and the time they have given to amusements, will be given up to doing earnest missionary work. They will endeavor to do good to all about them, to lift up souls that are bowed down in discouragement, and to enlighten those who are in the darkness of error. They will put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh to fulfil the lusts thereof." -RH, January 9, 1894 par. 12. Tom Edited by Tom Wetmore (05/24/05 08:19 PM) _________________________ "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are soley my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
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#40493 - 05/24/05 08:20 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: res0pgdo]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Quote: You see, Wicklund, you have produce evidence that to MY way of thinking, you are beyond God's help. You have shown yourself to have God's standards in mind and passing judgement upon the condition of his people. In my way of thinking, you are cynical to any sort of explanation that God is working in thier lives. You are a religious cynic. And to me, a cynic is a person who is beyond God's influence, even the Holy Spirit. To my mind, you have rejected the concept that Holy Spirit works in other people's lives to influence them. You are beyond hope in this area...The evidence is your posts themselves. The posts themselves show you attempting to do the Lord's work by being the Lord Himself and ordering people to do what you see needs to be done. Where in any post have I stated that I am judge and jury over the church? And how is it that anyone is beyond God's help? Because I quoted sister White? If I apply the prophet's words to the prophet's church, how am I being judgmental? We need to understand that prophets are given a message specific to God's proffessed people. Who cares more, the one who ignores someone who is ready to fall into a ditch, or the one who points out the ditch and says hey you look out!!! And who appointed you judge of anyone Niel? I love you just the same, but where do you get off attacking someone who wants to serve God faithfully with fear and trembling? How have I rejected that the Holy Spirit is not at work in someone's life? Because I brought up the issue of modest dress? Wow!! I wouldnt want to be in a board meeting at your church with you on it!! We are calling evil good and good evil now. _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40494 - 05/24/05 08:25 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: Johan]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Quote: Quote: /me wanders off singing "They'll know we are Christians by our love"... Bravus, I think you've got it! The context of the quote, that is... Notwithstanding what Dennis perceives as the appropriate context and application of his highlighted sentence, the context is really about how our schools should be fundamentally different in the education they give to our children. EGW's concluding sentences to this short article are most telling as to what will distinguish us from the "worldlings": Quote: "I am watching with intense interest, hoping to see our schools thoroughly imbued with the spirit of true and undefiled religion. When the students are thus imbued, they will see that there is a great work to be done in the lines in which Christ worked, and the time they have given to amusements, will be given up to doing earnest missionary work. They will endeavor to do good to all about them, to lift up souls that are bowed down in discouragement, and to enlighten those who are in the darkness of error. They will put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh to fulfil the lusts thereof." -RH, January 9, 1894 par. 12. Tom And the quote would certainly be applicable to our churches as well Mr. Wetmore!!! Even more so in my opinion!! _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40495 - 05/24/05 08:36 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: res0pgdo]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Quote: My own house does take precidence when I don't paint it, and if I don't paint it, I am required to replace the siding, which is a significant cost. As for my "household", the members of my household are my concern,[NOT yours] and I am not concened about them, as they have been given a good foundation in the Lord. Niel, There is a song that I have heard recently on the radio, I don't know if I can remember the whole thing but here goes, found here: http://www.acadisc.com/tvu.htm#oldhouse This old house once knew my children This old house once knew my wife This old house was the home and comfort As we fought the storms of life This old house once rang with laughter This old house heard many shouts Now she trembles in the darkness when the nightwind walks about Chorus 1: Ain't a-gonna need this house no longer Ain't a-gonna need this house no more Ain't got time to fix the shingles (ain't got time) Ain't got time to fix the doors (ain't got time) Ain't got time to oil the hinges (ain't got time) Or to fix no window pane (ain't got time) Ain't gonna need this house no longer I'm gettin' ready to meet the saints This old house is gettin' shaky This old house is gettin' old This old house lets in the rain And this old house lets in the cold On my knees I'm a-gettin' chilly But I feel no fear or pain Cause I see an angel peakin' Through the broken window pane Repeat Chorus 1 Chorus 2: Well it's a great, great morning Your first day in Heaven When you stroll down the golden avenue There are mansions left and right And you thrill with every sight And the saints are always smiling Saying, "How do you do?" Oh it's a great, great morning Your first day in Heaven When you realize your worryin' days are through You'll be glad you were not idle Took time to read your Bible It's a great, great morning for you Well I had a dream, I must confess I hated to awake He dreamed he was an angel at the great Pearly Gates St. Peter said "Well hello there! Where have you been? We've got your mansion ready, so come right on in!" And Then he rang for an angel to act as a guide He spread his wings a time or two and then let 'em fly Anyway... I hope you get my point. I love you friend, even though you think I am beyond help. Dennis Edited by wicklunds (05/24/05 08:37 PM) _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40496 - 05/24/05 08:43 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Clio The King's Daughter Registered: 03/31/05 Posts: 2747 Loc: Alaska	Quote: Sorry to disagree Clio, but silence will not do in these areas. Like I said in another post, we must address the most obvious areas in our faith that need addressing RIGHT NOW or who can we blame for the stumbling of others? [/quote} Jesus did not assign blame. In fact, He said over and over that He came to save the world, not to condemn it. We are not called to blame ANYONE for the stumbling of others. We are called to point them to Jesus. Quote: Yes there is obvious necessity of kind witness in our faith, but when a person cares so little about others as to not say a thing when the beam that is poking out of their eye pokes you in your's too, is this o.k.? If you have such a problem with someone's dress that you cannot see them compassionately as a Child of Abba Father, then the issue is with you... not them. By beholding Jesus they will become changed, and who is to say that your rancorous harping hurts more than it helps? If the beam pokes you in your eye... you are looking at the beam with judgement in your heart... and not a Jesus who commands us not to judge. Quote: Business as usual? Let us all go down in the same ship together? Lets grab hands and allow ourselves and our brothers and sisters to walk peacefully to the other banner? Absolutely not. I would immediately begin a prayer campaign coupled with a silent personal example. The prayer campaign would be one to remove the judgement from my heart, remove the inappropriate response their dress aroused in ME, and for Jesus to work in their lives according to HIS pleasure and perfect will. And then I would carry that prayer campaign through until Jesus was done with whatever He chose to do. I would invite like-minded believers to pray with me, I would rally my prayer warriors to pray for me, and then I would wait for the miracles sure to occur. Quote: ...I am sorry but I cannot reasonate with all this. It is time we spoke up on this stuff and stop acting like dead ducks with the water rolling off our backs. You cannot resonate on the direct Word of Scripture throughout my post? You just hit my prayer list. clio
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#40497 - 05/24/05 08:47 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	I am never against praying, friend. But I am not talking about confronting everyone not dressed in conformity with a higher standard; I am talking about observation in church as to how short of the mark we tend to be in this area. Why is this so wrong? There were standards of dress in Jesus' day just like there is a lack of them in ours. This is not a new thing by any means, but it is out of hand and needs addressing RIGHT NOW!!! Corporately, and individually!! Thanks for understanding, Dennis _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40498 - 05/24/05 08:58 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Neil D Today, I ain't for sale. Check back tomorrow. Registered: 08/10/00 Posts: 13252 Loc: Ca., Id, Wa., Or. or somewhere...	Quote: Where in any post have I stated that I am judge and jury over the church? I would reply where have you given grace and encouraged people to be more like Jesus? I do have evidence of spreading the attitude of criticism in your posts, which all here can see. But what use is it to talk to you about changing your views? Your mind is made up and short of the Holy Spirit bringing a conversion, I don't see you as listening to anything I would say. As I have said, you are a religious cynic and not inclined to be readily open to the Holy Spirit's prompting thru another person. Quote: Because I quoted sister White? If I apply the prophet's words to the prophet's church, how am I being judgmental? Dennis, because you have to hide behind the words of a Prophet, you are a coward. You can't say what you feel to be the truth without using some of the "magical"/"righteous" words of EGW. You have to use a prophets words to make yourself heard, and have abused her works. It is a typical religous cynics gambit. Use someone of importance words to make your own statement. IMHO, that is foolishness. Quote: Who cares more, the one who ignores someone who is ready to fall into a ditch, or the one who points out the ditch and says hey you look out!!! But you haven't pointed out any situation where we are gonna fall into and get hurt. Instead, you have encouraged others in being critical, hurting relationships, and generally being stupid about relationships. This is dysfunctional behavior, another typical religious cynics gambit. Quote: I love you just the same, but where do you get off attacking someone who wants to serve God faithfully with fear and trembling First off, don't be hypocritical. You don't know me, nor do you love me. If you did, you would be talking much different to me than what you are dong now. Second, I will label you when you act in a fashion deserving of that label. Sorry, you are being a religous cynic, in my view. If you want off that list, provide evidence that is more in line with being a Christian, a Seventh day Adventist Christian, not a Seventh day adventist nut. As I have said before in another post, you are beyond my help. I just hope you have not blasphemed the HS by rejecting any help He has attempted to give. That's what cynics do... So, since there is no profit in continuing this discussion with you, you can have the last word...Make it a good one, Dennis. Edited by Neil D (05/24/05 09:00 PM) _________________________ Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
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#40499 - 05/24/05 09:04 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: res0pgdo]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Thank you for the fresh insights, but I will go to the Lord when I need help, not Niel. My pride may be wounded, but the Holy Spirit speaks through Ellen White's counsel to me, and I see that many in the church such as yourself, have rejected her writings. I am not hiding behind anyone's writings, as I see it, I am bringing out in the open what others, such as yourself, have suppressed for far too long. When you accused me of being beyond the help of the Holy Spirit, you have also endangered your own walk with Him/it, because you have, in effect, made your own opinion, the voice of God. Sorry to disagree, but you ought to seek the will of the Lord also friend. We are brothers, not accusers of brothers, right? _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40500 - 05/24/05 09:15 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Clio The King's Daughter Registered: 03/31/05 Posts: 2747 Loc: Alaska	But it's not your place to make that determination Wicklunds. You are judging their heart without knowing it, and chastising them on that basis. You are usurping the role of the Holy Spirit as convictor, Abba Father as Judge and Punisher, and not following the role of Jesus as pleading for mercy, salvation, and change. clio
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