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#40501 - 05/24/05 09:25 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Who have I chastized? Do you mean by bringing to light problems in our churches I have done this? Ridiculous!! If we have eyes to see and do not look at the signs of the times, we have failed carrying out Christ's admonition for us to watch and pray!!! I have not usurped the role of the Holy Spirit in anyone's life, only brought to my own attention the need for prayer and intercession. Our church deteriorates and you and others say, SHUT UP! How is this fair and equitable? Would Christ ask us to do this?? Who is talking about punishment here? All I did was tell people to look around Clio. Don't talk to me about the Holy Spirit when it seems we have quietly let error creep into our ranks and have become strange bedfellows with strange women. Pro 2:1 My son, if you will receive my words And treasure my commandments within you, Pro 2:2 Make your ear attentive to wisdom, Incline your heart to understanding; Pro 2:3 For if you cry for discernment, Lift your voice for understanding; Pro 2:4 If you seek her as silver And search for her as for hidden treasures; Pro 2:5 Then you will discern the fear of the LORD And discover the knowledge of God. Pro 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding. Pro 2:7 He stores up sound wisdom for the upright; He is a shield to those who walk in integrity, Pro 2:8 Guarding the paths of justice, And He preserves the way of His godly ones. Pro 2:9 Then you will discern righteousness and justice And equity and every good course. Pro 2:10 For wisdom will enter your heart And knowledge will be pleasant to your soul; Pro 2:11 Discretion will guard you, Understanding will watch over you, Pro 2:12 To deliver you from the way of evil, From the man who speaks perverse things; Pro 2:13 From those who leave the paths of uprightness To walk in the ways of darkness; Pro 2:14 Who delight in doing evil And rejoice in the perversity of evil; Pro 2:15 Whose paths are crooked, And who are devious in their ways; Pro 2:16 To deliver you from the strange woman, From the adulteress who flatters with her words; Pro 2:17 That leaves the companion of her youth And forgets the covenant of her God; _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40502 - 05/24/05 09:29 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Neil D Today, I ain't for sale. Check back tomorrow. Registered: 08/10/00 Posts: 13252 Loc: Ca., Id, Wa., Or. or somewhere...	Quote: But it's not your place to make that determination Wicklunds. You are judging their heart without knowing it, and chastising them on that basis. Clio, you are right on the money!...But he will not listen. Oh, he 'hears', but he is not listening. We have given him the straight testomony, but he refuses to listen. Now we have to follow Paul's advise and leave him to his own deceptions. That is the one thing that cynics do not like, is to be left alone and ignored. It forces them to wrestles with the HS, where the HS can actually talk to them. They won't know it, of course, but they will hear our silence.....amazingly. Quote: You are usurping the role of the Holy Spirit as convictor, Abba Father as Judge and Punisher, and not following the role of Jesus as pleading for mercy, salvation, and change. clio Again, you are right on the money. I take it that you have had an experience similar to this and took the oppertunity that Jesus has offered? _________________________ Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
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#40503 - 05/24/05 09:40 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: res0pgdo]
Clio The King's Daughter Registered: 03/31/05 Posts: 2747 Loc: Alaska	Neil - With many tears watering my prayers and Abba Father's gracious intercession when I didn't get the message... to my sorrow... yes. Thankfully, Jesus knew my heart was actively pursuing Him, but I didn't know enough yet about how battles such as this are won. Jesus and Abba Father bound shut the ears which should not have heard my vituperative spewings of false religion, and kept them shut for YEARS. And once, when I insisted, He bound shut my mouth that should not have spoken. Jesus is all there is. He is perfect in every way. He is Omniscient, He is all Powerful, He is all Victorious. There is nothing too hard for Him... including changing the fashion statements of entire churches. Beholding HIM we are changed. What wicklunds is choosing to do... Jesus would not do. Neil, we cannot do as you suggest, which is to ignore him and leave him to his own devices. Neither can we engage him on his level. All we can do is pray for him. I would suggest in two ways. Pray that he has a softened heart the Holy Spirit can work with, and that he responds in all sincerity, with a goodly, prepared heart, and not one that is full of stones, a beaten path, or thorns and thistles. I was told by someone whose counsel I value very highly that the SDA church as a whole is a most curious organization. They find it troubling that a man-made organization which teaches the remnant during the time of the great Apostasy, should have that Apostasy sitting in it's ranks. In further explanation I was told that great light was given, but it has become tradition, rules, chains, and fetters and the right relationship with the Architect of all has been lost. It is all about a love relationship with Jesus. If you pursure, grab on to, chase after, and desire that love relationship with Jesus, you can't help yourself... you'll do all the rest of it right... because to do anything else will cause physical pain. clio
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#40504 - 05/24/05 10:02 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Traditions aside, I hope people choose, above all, not to listen to the party line of religious opinions (Clio and Niel) and search the Word for the right answers. I must humbly submit to God that what I said in my first post is applicable to our churches. _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40505 - 05/24/05 10:03 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: mausman]
wicklunds Registered: 01/30/05 Posts: 993 Loc: In the heart of SDA culturevil...	Quote: I don't know if there ever was a time when Adventists dressed differently than the culture they lived in. Of course Adventists, like all Christians, have dressed modestly (which differs depending on the culture) but when I think of a group being "odd, singular, straight-laced extremists" and "made a spectacle unto the world", I think of Islamic women or the Amish. I don't think Adventists have ever been in that catagory. Maybe it is time for a change...got any ideas??? _________________________ It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy. {ST, February 19, 1894 par. 4}
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#40506 - 05/24/05 10:10 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Neil D Today, I ain't for sale. Check back tomorrow. Registered: 08/10/00 Posts: 13252 Loc: Ca., Id, Wa., Or. or somewhere...	Quote: Neil, we cannot do as you suggest, which is to ignore him and leave him to his own devices. Neither can we engage him on his level. All we can do is pray for him. I would suggest in two ways. Pray that he has a softened heart the Holy Spirit can work with, and that he responds in all sincerity, with a goodly, prepared heart, and not one that is full of stones, a beaten path, or thorns and thistles. As Spiro Agnew once said- Nolo Contendre! _________________________ Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
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#40507 - 05/24/05 10:18 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: res0pgdo]
Gail I have many points... Registered: 12/10/02 Posts: 13644 Loc: Buon giorno, Principessa	Quote: I don't know if there ever was a time when Adventists dressed differently than the culture they lived in. Of course Adventists, like all Christians, have dressed modestly (which differs depending on the culture) but when I think of a group being "odd, singular, straight-laced extremists" and "made a spectacle unto the world", I think of Islamic women or the Amish. I don't think Adventists have ever been in that catagory. Yes, some Adventists HAVE been in that category. I have seen some who have spent time in self-supporting ministry or schools who have worn long dresses with hiking boots and pants if the weather is too cold. Their appearance made them look like Little House on the Prairie people Indeed, there was a time when I myself wore such a long dress. Odd and extreme I certainly must have looked. I can't remember that anyone was brought to the fold through that influence... looking back, I think I probably made myself unapproachable by it Is there anything wrong with simple modesty? _________________________ Gail gail@adventistforum.com And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Isaiah 32:17
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#40508 - 05/24/05 10:22 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Clio The King's Daughter Registered: 03/31/05 Posts: 2747 Loc: Alaska	Quote: Indeed, there was a time when I myself wore such a long dress. Odd and extreme I certainly must have looked. I can't remember that anyone was brought to the fold through that influence... looking back, I think I probably made myself unapproachable by it Is there anything wrong with simple modesty? Gail - I do think that simple modesty, with clothing that is a little bit special is indeed pleasing to Abba Father. We have special clothes for Sabbath, that are modest, neat, and clean. It is clothing not worn every day, and also the best we can afford. A voice of sanity you are... simple modesty, combined with sufficient "bestness" to honor Abba and Jesus... clio
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#40509 - 05/24/05 10:28 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: ]
Nan Benevolent Physician Registered: 04/07/00 Posts: 6046 Loc: Sydney,Australia	I may have this wrong, but I thought EGW somewhere advises that we should be neither the first to take up a new fashion nor the last to discard it - in other words, blend in within the bounds of modesty (in physical and financial terms). And Gail, I would think most of us would not like to be remembered for some of the fashions we have worn in our younger days. Especially if we remember the 70s. ( I remember the mirth provoked in my children, in their mid teens, when they saw videos of how they were dressed 10 years earlier. )
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#40510 - 05/24/05 10:39 PM Re: Fashion police, look here!!! [Re: Alure19]
Clio The King's Daughter Registered: 03/31/05 Posts: 2747 Loc: Alaska	Quote: I may have this wrong, but I thought EGW somewhere advises that we should be neither the first to take up a new fashion nor the last to discard it - in other words, blend in within the bounds of modesty (in physical and financial terms). And Gail, I would think most of us would not like to be remembered for some of the fashions we have worn in our younger days. Especially if we remember the 70s. ( I remember the mirth provoked in my children, in their mid teens, when they saw videos of how they were dressed 10 years earlier. ) Mirth? Mirth? seems a tad of an understatement to me... mine went off into gales of uproarious laughter resulting in hiccups, tears, and nearly the wetting of pants... My youngest rolled on the floor for at least 10 minutes until I had the good sense to remove the pictures causing the upheaval from her line of sight..... Shame on you for taking me off topic....
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