#49237 - 09/15/05 11:39 PM
Re: Your story: How did you become a SDA ? Or left & came back?
[Re: alisha]
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Jeannie said: Quote:
I do believe, however, that the more highly educated one becomes, the more difficult it is to find a comfortable church home. You are probably the best educated person in your church, especially including your pastor. It's tough - sitting in the pew and listening to poor grammar, poor homiletics, and poor exigesis all coming from the pulpit.
I agree with you, Jeannie...the more education one has, the tougher it is to be happy as a church member......but not always for the same reasons.
I don't care about poor grammar etc...when God communicates something that He wants me to hear, it can be through the most broken words and the most uneducated speaker. Or even through silence.
What I find hardest to take is the automatic assumption out there that just because one is educated, one's spirituality and walk with God is automatically suspect. Read many of our church's publications, the writings of Ellen White, and even many threads on this forum, and count the number of statements disparaging education and educated people. I might add that this is not confined to the Adventist church, but I have seen it in other denominations too.
When a whole category of people is consistently denigrated and treated with suspicion like this, there is only so long we can put up with it before it wears us down, and we come to only one conclusion...we are not welcome in the church and everyone would be happier if we just stayed away.
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#49238 - 09/16/05 12:13 AM
Re: Your story: How did you become a SDA ? Or left & came back?
[Re: rmarte]
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Aldona,
That is unfortunately true to some extent in some areas, and my family experienced exactly that ourselves very recently - a kind of class distinction in the church (try being a lawyer, and see where it gets you), promoted by the leader of the church.
A wise church leader (pastor) appreciates all his church members for who they are, not being intimidated by those with higher degrees, but happy to use them in God's service - my positive experiences related to that ideal have been greater than the negative one. Class distinction to the detriment of Christian brotherhood is not the way it always is.
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#49239 - 09/18/05 04:45 AM
Re: Your story: How did you become a SDA ? Or left & came back?
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Laurie said: Unfortunately, until Jesus comes this church of ours and its various entities will be filled with severely faulted humans who are capable of great perfidy, cruelty, intellectual dishonesty, guile, jealousy, and hatred. Oh, don't let me leave the sanctimonious, venal, and self serving off the list. There's a shaking coming (is it here already?) and the chaff will be sifted out, those with uncircumcised hearts will fall away.
But for the grace of God, there go I. In the meantime I choose to put this principle to practice, as the Lord permits.
"Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstances, and it endures everything [without weakening]." 1 Corinthians 13:7 AMP Brackets theirs
" BRETHREN, IF any person is overtaken in misconduct or sin of any sort, you who are spiritual [who are responsive to and controlled by the Spirit] should set him right and restore and reinstate him, without any sense of superiority and with all gentleness, keeping an attentive eye on yourself, lest you should be tempted also.
Bear (endure, carry) one another's burdens and troublesome moral faults, and in this way fulfill and observe perfectly the law of Christ (the Messiah) and complete what is lacking [in your obedience to it]." Galatians 6:1-4 AMP Brackets theirs  Blessings!!
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#49240 - 10/03/05 01:51 AM
Re: Your story: How did you become a SDA ? Or left & came back?
[Re: APL]
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D_Bishop said: I grew up in a small SE Texas town called Silsbee. We were the average middle class, or slightly working class black family. My Mom, and I, and later my step dad, lived next door to my grandparents. We had another relative, Uncle Tiny, as we called him, who lived just out of town, out in the woods. Uncle Tiny had a cabin that he built out there, also a well and a outhouse that was further back in the woods. Uncle had come back from the Korean war and decided to semi drop out of society. He worked as a handy man, doing electrical work, carpentry, this and that, a sort of jack of all trades.
Lots of folks in town, including some of the family, thought Uncle was a bit strange, living out in the woods alone. They thought it especially strange that he had this weird thing about stopping everything on Saturdays, and having church. After coming back from the war, Uncle attended the regional VA hospital in Austin, Tx., for various war related problems he had. While there someone, a white man, as uncle likes to tell it, gave him a bible study card for some vop bible lessons. He accepted the things he learned as bible truth and became an adventist.
There were no adventist churches near by, at least none that were predominately black. There was an ostinsibly white adventist church in nearby Beaumont, Tx., but uncle, back then, had seen too much racism, lynchings, etc., to feel comfortable with worshipping with white people. You have to understand, some of the nearby towns were places like Vidor, Tx, and a town many thought as a racially benign called Jasper, Tx.
So Uncle would have church by himself. Sometimes he would invite some of his neighbors, those that would come. Saturday evenings, around dusk, he would come up to the grandparents house, his parents, and we would talk. The family would sort of chide him about his sabbath keeping, and from that a discussion would start. My grandfather, who was a local deacon and who did some speaking in the local baptist and methodist churches, would be the lead person arguing, and disagreeing with my Uncle, his son, about the sabbath issue.
After awhile they would get out the big family bible, and have a bible study/set to. All the family would gather around them. Sometimes other aunts and uncles and cousins from Houston would be there. It would be my grandfather against my uncle, and everyone else watching, and backing my grandfather. My grandfather would make a point, and my uncle would counter that with a verse. The verse would be so clear and so unmistakable that I would here some of the other grown up say, "it sho does say that, um hum".
This went on, off and on, for some time, perhaps years. Then one year the sda churches in Houston were having a big tent effort in the 3rd ward area of Houston, near Tx Southern University and the University of Houston. Uncle persuaded all the family members to come out to the meetings, which were conducted by EE Cleveland. After those six weeks or so of meetings were through, several of my greater family became sda, including my grand parents and my mom. That's when I first became acquainted with the sda church, and all that. Afterwards, I was on quite a few occasions one of those 2 or 3 having church with my uncle in his cabin out in the woods.
DB
An update: Silsbee took a direct hit from hurricane Rita. So I'm told, half the town was destroyed. The phone line is working, & I've talked to my Uncle 2 or 3 times. He says that he has all the basic provisions. Various church groups bring him supplies from FEMA. At night he doesn't have any electric light. As mentioned earlier, he's used to roughing it.
DB
Edited by D_Bishop (10/03/05 01:52 AM)
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#49241 - 10/03/05 02:15 AM
Re: Your story: How did you become a SDA ? Or left & came back?
[Re: APL]
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Hello D_B,
I just read your post and when I saw the name of the town I knew they have serious problems in the area. I have friends all over the area and it is pretty awful. Will be praying that your Dear Uncle shall continue to retain his courage and faith. That he continues to receive the provisions required for his survival. The damage will not soon be repaired.
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#49242 - 10/03/05 06:35 AM
Re: Your story: How did you become a SDA ? Or left & came back?
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I love this story about your family! I have a feeling I would have enjoyed sitting in on some of those Bible discussions. Your uncle sounds like a special person. Thanks for sharing!
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#49243 - 10/03/05 06:43 AM
Re: Your story: How did you become a SDA ? Or left & came back?
[Re: alisha]
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Registered: 12/25/04
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I am not saying whether I agree with you or not about Clifford Goldstein's editorials. However, I think you might be surprised at his incredible raw honesty, reading his editorial in the August 25 edition of the Review. Here are sections of it.
"I got to the General Conference buidling after four yeras in the church, a convert screeching with zeal, thrilled at discovering that not only did truth exist but I had found it. As such I was one self-righteous and sanctimonious terror, kind of an erumpent Yiddish Torquemada ready top urge out all heretics. With my theology sniffers in full-throttle, I could tell the saints from the apostates here at the General Conference simply by watching what they ate. I knew who was on the side of truth, righteous, and goodness, and who wasn't, after just a five minute conversation with them, even if I did all the talking!....
Life was so much simpler then, when truth and error were so easily distinguishable. Now, though, things that I would have burned at the stake over, or gladly burned others over (without a tiwinge of guilt, but on the contrary satisfied that I had done the Lord's will), I don't give a rip about. More so, I discovered that many of the folks I was ready to consign to Dante's seventh circle of hell because of their theology were dedicated christians who loved thelOrd and the church (in fact, I often got along better with them than with those whose theology is like mine.). In short, the older I get, that which was once black and white has at times morphed into shades of gray....."
It continues of course and he makes some very valid points. I have a hunch you would enjoy reading it.
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