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#7719 - 12/13/03 02:33 PM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: Pastor John]
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Br. Planey, thanks but I am at the head of the class for needing those words in my own life.
I see from time to time where scoffers of Ellen White suggest that she became senile at the end of her life. Not so, not so! The whole article is on page TM 116

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#7720 - 12/13/03 04:14 PM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: ]
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Believe it or not, this list of symptoms actually makes me feel better. I have been having a bit of a rough time lately. I am pregnant and I think that is messing up my emotions. I seem to feel irritable and get angry easy. I have been tired too, but I think that is due to the rest of the things also happening. When you work in retail the holiday season is very stressful, and I've been struggling to finish my schoolwork. I am feeling a bit overwhelmed. When I look at this list though, I realize that I do still have hope that things will get better - after the pressure of school is gone for good, and the holiday rush is over. I am still interested in the daily activities of my life and really haven't had to push myself to get up and do things. So, thanks for posting this.
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#7721 - 12/13/03 04:59 PM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: TheLittleGiraffe]
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I haven't read this thread for awhile, so went back and re-read all the posts. I'm like Michelle's mom:

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My mom has recently said No to being an assistant in Kindy, and she's been in the lower division SS classes since I was born, so 34 years. She has a hard time concentrating in the adult classes. I've talked with others who have said the same thing.




I have lead in children's divisions since my children were born, and now my youngest is 25, and I've said "no" for the first time. I am left with the dilemma of what to do on Sabbath mornings. Our small church has two adult Sabbath School classes. One has members in the group who tend to "hold forth" (filibuster), so I don't go to that one. The other one is generally good, but the teacher is rotated from week to week.

The most fulfilling adult SS classes I've attended have been taught by the same good teacher every week. There is continuity and a sense of family that is gained by having one person lead (IMHO), and when you know the focus your teacher tends to take, your study during the week will help you be able to participate in a meaningful way in the discussion that the teacher leads.

If I were an adult SS teacher, I'd want to have my own class and only rarely trade off with someone. I would like to be able to challenge and "pre-load" the class for each following week, then be able to follow up the thought processes I may have started the week before.

I wonder if anyone has ever studied into the pros and cons of SS teacher trading vs. teacher continuity.

LynnDel
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#7722 - 12/13/03 09:57 PM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: ]
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I second Brother Planey -- those words were indeed a tremendous blessing. When I read things like this it makes me want to draw closer to the Lord and be true to Him. It also speaks to my heart directly in ways I dare not speak in public.

Thank you ever so much ... more, more, more, please! Reading these words are like water upon parched ground to my spirit, sincerely ...

The last paragraph seems to be cut off though - can you edit it or post the rest?
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#7723 - 12/13/03 10:07 PM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: ]
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Tainted, the whole article is found on TM 516 Here is a few more words.
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Is Jesus true? Does He mean what He says? Answer decidedly, Yes, every
word. Then if you have settled this, by faith claim every promise that
He has made, and receive the blessing; for this acceptance by faith
gives life to the soul. You may believe that Jesus is true to you, even
though you feel yourself to be the weakest and most unworthy of His
children. And as you believe, all your dark, brooding doubts are thrown
back upon the archdeceiver who originated them. You can be a great
blessing if you will take God at His word. By living faith you are to
trust Him, even though the impulse is strong within you to speak words of distrust. p. 2, Para. 3, [VICTLIFE].
Peace comes with dependence on divine power. As fast as the soul
resolves to act in accordance with the light given, the Holy Spirit
gives more light and strength. The grace of the Spirit is supplied to
cooperate with the soul's resolve, but it is not a substitute for the
individual exercise of faith. Success in the Christian life depends
upon the appropriation of the light that God has given. It is not an
abundance of light and evidence that makes the soul free in Christ; it
is the rising of the powers and the will and the energies of the soul
to cry out sincerely, "Lord, I believe; help Thou mine unbelief." p.
3, Para. 1, [VICTLIFE].
I rejoice in the bright prospects of the future, and so may you. Be
cheerful, and praise the Lord for His loving-kindness. That which you
cannot understand, commit to Him. He loves you and pities your every
weakness. He "hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly
places in Christ." It would not satisfy the heart of the Infinite One
to give those who love His Son a lesser blessing than He gives His Son.
p. 3, Para. 2, [VICTLIFE].
Satan seeks to draw our minds away from the mighty Helper, to lead us
to ponder over our degeneration of soul. But though Jesus sees the
guilt of the past, He speaks pardon; and we should not dishonor Him by
doubting His love. The feeling of guiltiness must be laid at the foot
of the cross, or it will poison the springs of life. When Satan thrusts
his threatenings upon you, turn from them, and comfort your soul with
the promises of God. The cloud may be dark in itself, but when filled
with the light of heaven, it turns to the brightness of gold; for the
glory of God rests upon it. p. 3, Para. 3, [VICTLIFE].
God's children are not to be subject to feelings and emotions. When
they fluctuate between hope and fear, the heart of Christ is hurt; for
He has given them unmistakable evidence of His love. He wants them to
be established, strengthened, and settled in the most holy faith. He
wants them to do the work He has given them; then their hearts will
become in His hands as sacred harps, every chord of which will send
forth praise and thanksgiving to the One sent by God to take away the
sins of the world. p. 3, Para. 4, [VICTLIFE].

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#7724 - 12/13/03 10:31 PM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: Liann]
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And I thought that I knew who "Kitty" was. But, the person I thought to be Kitty could NOT be pregnant!
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#7725 - 12/14/03 01:40 AM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: ]
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Quote:

I wonder if anyone has ever studied into the pros and cons of SS teacher trading vs. teacher continuity.

LynnDel




Now this is what caught my attention.
My brain is going into overflow core with the multifacetedness of this issue..

Factors:
Purpose of class
Size of class
Teaching style of class
Committment level of teachers
Spiritual maturity level of the class members.
Is the class institution oriented or outreach oriented.

I didn't lead out today, but essentially taught the lesson.

I brought out the teaching style of God used in chapter 4 of Jonah and also how Jonah had 2 recorded suicidal remarks and how that can be a catalyst for outreach thinking for these times..(see my depression survey..I read it in class today) just to keep this post fairly short.

I have taught in a rotation basis,
with a partner on the same class segment
and have had my own class.

I enjoy the continuity aspect because of ability to preload..for the next week. Some actually try to assign one day of the lesson to class members.
I don't do that..I ask the class..as busy as their weekly schedule is ..to look at the lesson and find something relevant, interesting, or mysterious and bring it to the class to share..that is how I try to promote involvement.

The class if not focused can turn out to be a shallow/generalized discusion on any topic but the scope/theme of the lesson.



Depends on the class but as we learn in Romans and Corinthians.. on the spiritual gifts...not all are called to be teachers..and James writes..be not many teachers..knowing we shall receive a stricter judgement,,(that is a study in of itself)

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#7726 - 12/14/03 07:43 AM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: Liann]
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Kitty, you are PREGNANT??? WOW!!! Congratulations!!!!

I am SO excited!!!
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#7727 - 12/15/03 01:00 AM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: sweettrini]
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I am going to share something now that might get your attention.

The SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH is currently studying Jonah for the sabbath school lesson. It consists of just 48 verses that can be read in 6 to 7 minutes out loud. BUT because of the usual TOPICAL approach the tendency is to cover one topic, maybe 2 each week. This week the focus was on judgement. SS lesson leaders, teachers, facilitators will most likely lead discussion involving judgement in general..maybe not even relevant to the book of Jonah...

Now I know in this age of quick sound bites that most in the congregation would greatly suffer trying to concentrate on listening to 6-7 minutes of scripture reading..especially at one time.
However I know that in some sabbath school classes the verses will not even be read over the course of 13 weeks.


It is now supposed to be a no no ,in some areas, to even ask the sabbath school class if they took opportunity to study or even look over the sabbath school lesson...too offensive or embarrassing.
I challenge you..the ones who are faithful attenders of your sabbath school class to see if the book of Jonah is ever read once this quarter in class, out loud, by the teacher or a few people taking turns. I also challenge any teacher out there to ask at the end of the quarter to see if any class members took the time to read the 48 verses of the book of Jonah..or have ever read the whole book of Jonah.

Keep this under wraps and wait til the end.
Write it on a paper and stick it in Lesson #13 of your quarterly..









2 LESSONS LEFT

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#7728 - 12/16/03 04:49 AM Re: BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL? [Re: sweettrini]
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13. Loss of libido: Have you lost your interest in sex?


JimBob, would you think that an 'overinterest' in sex be applied to depression too? Just curious. Cause I know that this one can factor in
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11. Appetite changes: Have you lost your appetite? Or do you overeat or binge compulsively?




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don't know how all of you approach your sabbath school class...
I think it is really a waste or irrelevant if it is strictly an ancient religious history class.


I can't say that I usally feel this but when I went to a Sunday keeping church to visit, I felt it was a waste of time for it was very boring. But the other members of the class seemed to be getting someone. It was nearly as if I were sitting in a foreign land...all Greek to me.

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7. Irritability and frustration: Have you been feeling resentful and angry a good deal of the time?


Ahhh, that explains it...two years ago. Now I hardly ever feel angry nor upset
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