SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll

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#88849 - 08/06/06 02:09 PM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll [Re: TheLittleGiraffe]
cricket Registered: 11/11/03 Posts: 4849	No, not at all, but that's not what the original question asked. _________________________ http://tinyurl.com/26serb
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#88850 - 08/08/06 08:14 PM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll [Re: CaregiverDee]
Gerry Cabalo Registered: 03/20/00 Posts: 7319 Loc: Wilkesboro, NC	Of course, it is better to preach/teach what matters most first, i.e. Jesus, salvation by grace, but at some point, those prophetic matters will come up. Gerry
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#88851 - 08/27/06 02:23 AM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll [Re: TheLittleGiraffe]
Aliensanctuary Registered: 03/03/05 Posts: 472 Loc: Northern California	Stand by for another unorthodox idea... The 4-Metal Statue in Dan 2, the 4 Beasts arising from the turbulent sea in Dan 7, the Goat and the Ram of Dan 8, and the 7-Headed Lion/Bear/Leopard Beast of Rev 13 represent the same End Times events. The 3 Metal/Animal/Beast symbols are the identifiers of the 3 "horns", nations or empires, which are displaced by the 4th Metal/Beast. The Little Big Horn, either Satan or a being he controls completely, then occupies its victim's territory and continues with its subjugation of the human race. The Iron Legs and Feet, the 4th Iron-Toothed Beast, and the 7-Headed Lion/Bear/Leopard Beast represent Satan's Occupation Government controlling our planet. The Earth at the time of their appearance becomes a vast battlefield, its civilizations all but destroyed in the War between Satan and Michael and their forces. Ultimately, Satan's forces are marooned on our planet, but not without inflicting serious damage to Zion, the City of God ransacking and destroying the Real Temple and using it for a latrine. The destruction of Zion may not have been intended by God, but that's what happened, and that's what the Messengers from the future told us what would happen in our future. The Forces of Good are seemingly defeated, but suddenly the battle turns and they win a stunning victory over the Forces of Evil. I think we should leave the poor Catholics out of our End Times Scenarios. They've got enough problems with pedophiles and celibacy.
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#88852 - 08/27/06 02:43 AM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Pol [Re: ]
Nicodema Registered: 11/22/03 Posts: 777 Loc: Beyond your grasp	Quote: *Aliensanctuary said:* This is the merciless, murderous, one-world government ... After internal strife, 3 rulers are deposed and replaced by another, apparently weak at first, but rapidly growing to an amazing level of power. This cruel power will be responsible for the vicious persecution and deaths of many of God's people just before Christ's return ... ... Those following the Little Big Horn will share Satan's propensity for deceit, intolerance of True Worshippers of God, and the heartless destruction of helpless human beings... I think it would be a serious mistake to try to identify any particular religion in the actions of the Little Big Horn or the 10-horned beast. I agree. Just present the characteristics and be done with it, and let people make up their minds on their own what fits those characteristics through their own observations and experience. Jesus demonstrated and taught a sufficiently perfect revelation of love and selflessness to provide us with a "True God" template against which to contrast the false. Delineate the characteristics in terms of themselves, and leave the interpretation of "what fulfills this?" to the individual hearer. The Holy Spirit and the self-revealing nature of reality will do the rest quite nicely. Just my opinion. _________________________ "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot
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#88853 - 08/27/06 07:44 PM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll [Re: ]
bevin Registered: 09/04/02 Posts: 4699 Loc: New England	Quote: Since the chapter was so specific about the identities of the other powers, what makes it a "serious mistake" to identify the fourth beast as Rome, which began as the Roman Empire and ends as the Roman Catholic Church? Taking for granted that the identification with the Roman Empire and the Roman Catholic church through the Dark Ages is correct, is it a mistake to keep that limited identification into the 21C? The Empire's best equivalent today is not one country, but the whole of "Western Civilization". The Dark Ages RCC's best equivalent today is ALL organized Christianity. Why is it valid to restrict the interpretation to just one denomination? /Bevin
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#88854 - 08/27/06 08:12 PM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll [Re: Mandy]
melvin mccarty Registered: 05/18/02 Posts: 580 Loc: B,C.	Nobody had an answer for my question either Bevin!!! Are we discouraged? Never!...lol mel
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#88855 - 08/30/06 02:14 AM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll [Re: chloesnana]
Aliensanctuary Registered: 03/03/05 Posts: 472 Loc: Northern California	Compared to the destruction and reign of terror of Satan's Future Worldwide Empire of Ten, the worst that Rome could ever deliver in the Dark Ages was more like a Sunday School picnic, a little bonfire here, a little torture there, maybe a drowning or two. That's because, even though Rome as a persecutor could be cruel and merciless, it is nothing compared to the complete disregard of humanity by Satan and his inhuman followers. These beasts may represent a future repeat of or reference to history, that is, the short-term reappearance of Babylon, Mede-Persia, and Greece, maybe because the seat of some future empires could be located in the capitals or territory of the former empires. If Satan and followers are now locked up in the prison of the Abyss, there is a time when they will be released. Perhaps this Abyss is located at the bottom of an ocean on this planet, or it is located in another part of the solar system such as a frozen moon or planet, or in some other dimension, and connected somehow to an Earth ocean via a gate or wormhole. The churning sea may indicate the release of Satan's Hordes from the depths. Immediately upon their release they attempt to escape the planet but are flung back by Michael, our prince, and his forces. Too bad Satan's Hordes wrecked Zion and almost won the Battle of Earth. It would be a sad, sad universe if they did win. It was very nice of God to let us know how it all turned out.
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#88856 - 09/10/06 02:29 AM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll [Re: ]
Aliensanctuary Registered: 03/03/05 Posts: 472 Loc: Northern California	The visions of Daniel could possibly have a dual application, as we sometimes assume other prophecies have had. The first application was in the present and near future of Daniel when he lived. If this is true, then Rome and the RCC could very loosely represent the 4th Beast, although its destructive power upon arising was not exactly impressive by our standards of mass-destruction. Quote: NLT---Dan 7: 9-12 9. I watched as thrones were put in place and the Ancient One* sat down to judge . His clothing was as white as snow, his hair like whitest wool. He sat on a fiery throne with wheels of blazing fire, 10. and a river of fire flowed from his presence. Millions of angels ministered to him, and a hundred million stood to attend him. Then the court began its session, and the books were opened. 11. I continued to watch because I could hear the little horn's boastful speech. I kept watching until the fourth beast was killed and its body was destroyed by fire. 12. As for the other three beasts, their authority was taken from them, but they were allowed to live for a while longer. The above verses indicate that the first 3 Beasts still exist, but are powerless, following an Examination of the Books, the Judgement, and the Execution of the Sentence by the destruction of the 4th Beast. The Books, we assume, must contain the life records of the rejected humans and Satan's evil followers, members of the 4th Beast Worldwide Empire. After the destruction of the 4th Beast, the Evil Worldwide Kingdom of Satan, One Who Looked Like a Man arrives in the cloudy skies to receive his kingdom, the Kingdom of New Earth. This all occurs, not at the 2nd Coming of Christ, but at the 3rd, following the 1000 years of Satan and Company's imprisonment on Earth. First the countless hordes of Gogue and Magogue watch the destruction of Satan and the leaders of his Evil Kingdom, then, it's their turn to burn. Human life could not exist for more than a few moments in a blazing inferno hot enough to melt rocks and incinerate the surface of the Earth. There's no torture, no everlasting torment because it's all over in just a few seconds for the poor humans who did not qualify for membership in the Kingdom of New Earth. Now they must be completely destroyed like we would destroy an extremely dangerous biological organism. We can see from these verses that these 4 Beasts will all co-exist during the End Times. We could ID them as Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece, and might be right, but they just may be something we cannot imagine at this time, also.
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#88857 - 09/13/06 02:33 AM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll [Re: ]
Aliensanctuary Registered: 03/03/05 Posts: 472 Loc: Northern California	Here's something interesting: Quote: NKJ--Dan 7:2, 3, 17 2. ...the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea. 3. "And four great beasts came up from the sea . 17. `Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth . Upon the 2nd Resurrection, a seething worldwide ocean of people will appear, maybe all at once, maybe in stages. As Adam and Eve were created from the dust of the Earth, so this mass of humanity will also be assembled from dirt using their old DNA records, then have their old memories downloaded. We don't know what the condition of the Earth will be at that time. Maybe there will still be great oceans, maybe they're frozen solid, maybe not. All of these people will be forced to join forces and attack the City of God. We can't rule out Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, and Alexander the Great reappearing to form new kingdoms to achieve their military objective of defeating God's armies. One unnamed leader, probably an Evil Extraterrestrial/Messenger/Angel, overpowers the opposition, uniting most, if not all of the members of the 2nd Resurrection Team into the greatest fighting force ever to exist. Maybe some stubborn humans are the last holdouts.
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#98883 - 10/14/06 08:09 AM Re: SSL#4 Daniel 7 - Topics for Discussion and Poll [Re: Aliensanctuary]
Aliensanctuary Registered: 03/03/05 Posts: 472 Loc: Northern California	So, the Iron/Ceramic part of the Multi-Metal statue of Dan 2, the Iron-Toothed Destructo-Beast of Dan 7, and the 7-Headed Scarlet Beast ridden by the Prostitute of Rev 17 represent the same kingdom, Satan's Kingdom, following the 2nd Resurrection, the resurrection of the wicked dead. Quote: NLT---Rev 17:8 The beast you saw was alive but isn't now. And yet he will soon come up out of the bottomless pit and go to eternal destruction. And the people who belong to this world, whose names were not written in the Book of Life from before the world began, will be amazed at the reappearance of this beast who had died. Quote: NLT---Rev 17:15 The waters where the prostitute is sitting represent masses of people of every nation and language. There is a Religious-Political system, based on a false religion, controlling the world just before Christ's 2nd Coming, then following the 2nd Resurrection, it reappears after the Babylonian/Persian/Greek attempts at governing the unnumbered masses of those not chosen for God's Kingdom. After its reappearance, it is supported by Satan's Kingdom until at last, it is cast off, and Satan's Kingdom is in full control, ready to make war on the Kingdom of God. Historically, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece were teensy-weensy little kingdoms, but in the future, post 2nd Resurrection, they will reappear on a much greater geographic scale.
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