Club Adventist
Welcome with open arms fellow believers who don’t see things the way you do.
And don’t jump all over them every time they do or say something you don’t agree with
– even when it seems that they are strong on opinions but weak in the faith department.
Remember, they have their own history to deal with. Treat them gently. Romans 14.1: The Message
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#8980 - 11/16/03 12:25 AM 19. Seventh-day Adventists have their own version of the Bible
Stan Jensen Administrator Offline
Carpe Diem!!!

Registered: 09/15/06
Posts: 3945
Loc: 49.05° Lat- 122.3° Long
19. Seventh-day Adventists have their own version of the Bible (The Clear Word), including one that contains Ellen White quotations printed in it.


Answer: The cover and title page of J. J. Blanco's The Clear Word clearly identify his work as "an expanded paraphrase of the Bible." It is published in the author's name, not the name of the church. The first sentence of the preface reads, "This is not a new translation but an interpretive paraphrase of the Scriptures." Seventh-day Adventists have never produced their own version of the Bible. In her lifetime, Ellen White made use of the various translations available.


The Ellen G. White Study Bible brings together relevant statements of commentary from Ellen White while preserving a format that maintains the rightful distinction between her words and the Scriptural text (as do the wide variety of study Bibles prepared by other commentators available in Christian book stores).

Top
#8981 - 10/28/04 09:03 PM Re: 19. Seventh-day Adventists have their own version of the Bible [Re: Halfstep Denise]
Kevin H Offline


Registered: 01/23/02
Posts: 673
Loc: New York
First of all, for a book to be a Bible it must be authoritative. Neither Elder Blanco sees his book as authoritive. The church does not build it's theology on the Clear Word. And I am free to dissagree with what the Clear Word says, a freedom that I exercise often.

Bibles such as the KJV, New American Standard, Good News, New International, the Anchor, we do indeed see as authoritive. We can argue over the bias of the translation or the interpatations given to the text, but we can not simply dissagree with something that it says and not be in trouble. These translations and other translations are indeed THE Bible and fully authoritive. As I said, we can not dissagree with the text itself, only the specific way the text was translated or applied. We are not bouned the same way to the clear word.

If someone says "The Bible Says..." and quotes any of these other translations, I do have to take what is said seriously. If someone says "The Clear Word says" I can (and often do) say "So What"

Also, have you ever been to church and the pastor reads some words of scripture, makes some comments on it, moves on to the next text, that is what Blanco does in the clear word (except that he does not even quote a text but paraphrases them). The clear word is no more than a typical sermon that happens to be printed and very long.

Another thing that the critics say about the clear word is that it brings in Mrs. White's ideas to try to make them part of the scripture. Now yes, he does indeed bring in a lot of what Mrs. White wrote (and by the way, using her writings in a way that she told us not to do.) But Mrs. White is only one source of ideas for comment. The comments and expansions also come from his own reaearch, and from comments from his students that he liked. He does not distinquish between Mrs. White's comments, his own research and comments from students, thus he does not give her any other weight in his comments than he does to the ideas of a student. When we read his expansions we have no idea which one of these three sources we are reading.

Top
#8982 - 07/06/05 03:25 PM Re: 19. Seventh-day Adventists have their own version of the Bible [Re: Halfstep Denise]
Gregory Matthews Offline


Registered: 05/10/00
Posts: 7113
Loc: Colorado, USA
Some SDAs act like the SDA Chruch has it's own Bible--The Clear Word.
_________________________
Gregory

Top
#8983 - 07/06/05 04:21 PM Re: 19. Seventh-day Adventists have their own version of the Bible [Re: ted]
bevin Offline


Registered: 09/04/02
Posts: 4699
Loc: New England
We have discussed this mistake before. The Clear Word Bible - and indeed it was promoted by the SDA church, and is publically advertized TODAY on Amazon.Com under that name -

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...=books&n=507846

has been a huge PR disaster for the SDA church. It was printed, endosed, and advertised by the SDA organization with the word BIBLE right on the cover.

http://millennium.fortunecity.com/lincoln/666/clearwordbible/clear-word.htm

http://www.watchman.org/reltop/clearwordbible.htm

The SDA church should publically acknowlege this mistake, not try to pretend it was right all along.

It is not a paraphrase. It is not a translation. It does not make things clear. Instead it takes clear Bible verses and incorrectly states them to support SDA doctrine.

For instance - see the stories of the Egyptian magicians turning rods into snakes, and Saul visiting the witch of Endor.

/Bevin

Top
#8984 - 07/06/05 04:44 PM Re: 19. Seventh-day Adventists have their own version of the Bible [Re: Mandy]
Stan Jensen Administrator Offline
Carpe Diem!!!

Registered: 09/15/06
Posts: 3945
Loc: 49.05° Lat- 122.3° Long
I few people who do not like it is far from A PR nightmare for the Church. This was published, distributed and promoted by the author until he agree to have the RH distribute it.

Many Adventist have many version of the Bible, and many 'types' of Bibles.

If you think that Dale Ratzlaff is a credible source of truth, then GWB has some weapons of mass destruction in Iraq he will sell you.

Top
#157535 - 02/18/08 04:59 AM Re: 19. Seventh-day Adventists have their own version of the [Re: Stan Jensen]
fccool Online   content


Registered: 01/16/08
Posts: 885
Loc: Iowa
 Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen

If you think that Dale Ratzlaff is a credible source of truth, then GWB has some weapons of mass destruction in Iraq he will sell you.


hehehe

I think that many of these theological "inconsistencies" do come from individual views of SDA members that are being interpreted as a view of the entire church.

I know many people who take CWB as the best "translation" of the Bible, as for them "it makes things really clear". It does drive me nuts as how much extra Biblical stuff that CWB plugs in to justify a position, so the word Bible IS misleading IMO. Yet, I don't see it being promoted by the church TODAY. And today is what we have to look at when we examine our beliefs.

Top
#174955 - 06/29/08 07:19 AM Re: 19. Seventh-day Adventists have their own version of the Bible [Re: bevin]
doctorj Offline


Registered: 06/29/08
Posts: 175
Loc: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Since the post in 2005, the Clear Word Bible is now called "The Clear Word" dropping the word "Bible" from the title. You can see this at Amazon:

"The Clear Word" at Amazon

Although Amazon still lists this item as "The Clear Word Bible" in the title of the book even though the cover has the words "The Clear Word" printed on its cover.
_________________________
Make sure you have finished speaking before your audience has finished listening. -- Dorothy Sarnoff

Top
#174961 - 06/29/08 03:23 PM Re: 19. Seventh-day Adventists have their own version of the Bible [Re: doctorj]
Stan Jensen Administrator Offline
Carpe Diem!!!

Registered: 09/15/06
Posts: 3945
Loc: 49.05° Lat- 122.3° Long
That was removed, in my opinion, to appease other jealous theologians.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck... then.....
_________________________
"To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.."
---Proverbs 8:13

Top


Moderator:  John317 
Our Store


SEARCH OUR SITE

Custom Search
30 days FREE

This full membership income helps pay for hosting, advertising, domain names, software support etc etc
Shout Box

The Chat Room

Come Chat with others,
open 24/7

Who's Online
51 registered (Beryl, Bob Carmin, Bravus, BrokenAdventist, bygjymbo, CoAspen, darlene, dgrimm60, Doug, eddie, Ellen, fccool, forgie, Gladussee, Heather Cummings, Jerry D Thomas, John317, Kountzer, LifeHiscost, Lineman, Liz, LynnDel, mannybr2003, marysaR, melvin mccarty, Nan, Neil D, Nightingale, olger, pkrause, rab, Raphael, Raquel, Redwood, Robert, SMAN, Sulla, Suzanne Sutton, Taylor, Vera, 11 invisible), 461 Guests and 119 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Featured Member
Registered: 11/06/08
Posts: 8
Top Posters (30 Days)
John317 510
Redwood 476
Shane 308
Neil D 260
Bravus 253
Robert 232
Stan Jensen 159
Gail 142
Amelia 135
pkrause 116
Taylor 115
Liz 113
olger 104
fccool 100
Nan 88
carolaa 80
Lineman 72
Gerry Cabalo 60
BobRyan 55
CoAspen 55
Top Posters
Amelia 18479
Shane 17020
Robert 15447
Gail 13646
Neil D 13254
John317 10453
Redwood 9100
Gerry Cabalo 7436
Naomi 7196
Bravus 7139
Gregory Matthews 7113
Nan 6047
Shirley 5292
ChildofChrist 5051
cricket 4903
bevin 4699
LifeHiscost 4170
Stan Jensen 3945
D. Allan 3883
dgrimm60 3615
Newest Members
BrokenAdventist, rab, historyb, TeensMom, Grace3
2977 Registered Users

THE ADVENTIST FORUM® is a self-supporting ministry and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland or any of its subsidiaries.
Copyright © ClubAdventist.com® 1999 - 2008