#92148 - 08/18/06 04:28 PM
Re: SSL#8 (August 19-25 06) Day-Year Principle
[Re: Mandy]
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In the 2300 evening-morning's of Dan 8:14 (a) it is does NOT say "day" in the original, and (b) there are no proportions/ratios/comparisons being given.
Bevin, what does the orginial say? Evenings and mornings, or simply evenings?
Also, in Genesis we find the words evening and morning. Why weren't these translated in the KJV like the Daniel 8:14?
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#92149 - 08/18/06 05:10 PM
Re: SSL#8 (August 19-25 06) Day-Year Principle
[Re: CaregiverDee]
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This is the stuff the SDA church should be teaching its members about Dan 8:14, and doesn't - it hides it away in obscure theology departments and doesn't let it out in SS or evangelistic crusades
Gen 1:5, Strong's numbering of the original words
|7121| And called
|0430| God
|0216| the light
|3117| "day,"
|2822| and the darkness
|7121| He called
|3915| "night"
|1961| and was
|6153| evening,
|1961| and {it} was
|1242| morning,
|3117| day
|0259| one.
Dan 8:14
14.
|0559| And he said
|0000| to me,
|0000| For
|6153| evenings {and}
|1242| mornings
|0505| two thousand
|7967| and three
|3963| hundred.
|6663| Then will be vindicated
|6944| {the} sanctuary.
The 1961 words are not present in Daniel.
Then, later in Daniel, we have
Dan 10:13.
|8269| But the leader of
|4468| the kingdom of
|6539| Persia
|5975| stood
|7398| against me
|6242| twenty
|0259| and one
|3117| days.
|2009| But look,
|4317| Michael,
|0259| one of
|8269| the rulers
|7223| first,
|0935| came
|5826| to help me.
|0589| And I
|3885| stayed
|8033| there
|0000| with
|4428| the kings of
|6539| Persia.
So Daniel has a perfectly good phrase for 21 days, and he uses a completely different phrase for 2300 "days". The KJV has a massive mistranslation at Dan 8:14. It doesn't say days and it doesn't say cleansed.
William Miller simply got it wrong because he didn't understand what his own bible was telling him, because he was working from a bad translation.
/Bevin
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#92150 - 08/18/06 05:21 PM
Re: SSL#8 (August 19-25 06) Day-Year Principle
[Re: TheLittleGiraffe]
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Gerry is demonstrating another point the SDA have failed to teach their people In 9:24 it actually says "7 70", but there is no English phrase for this, so it is translated as "week". Dan 9:24. Quote:
|7620| weeks
|7657| Seventy
|2852| are decreed
|0000| as to
|5971| your people,
|0000| and as to
|5892| city
|6944| your holy,
|3607| to finish
|6588| the transgression
|2856| and to make an end of
|2398| sins,
|3722| and to atone for
|5771| iniquity,
|0935| and to bring in
|6666| righteousness
|5769| everlasting,
|2856| and to seal up
|2377| the vision
|5030| and prophecy
|4886| and to anoint
|6944| the Holy
|6944| Most.
But, in the context where it clearly means WEEK
Dan 10:2.
Quote:
|3117| In days
|1992| those
|0589| I,
|1840| Daniel,
|1961| was
|0057| mourning
|7967| three
|7620| weeks of
|3117| days.
The SDA proofs for day=week are flimsy, and are only needed to make this one untestable prophetic interpretation.
It is a huge and noisy but defense of a completely unnecessary issue.
/Bevin
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#92152 - 08/18/06 08:51 PM
Re: SSL#8 (August 19-25 06) Day-Year Principle
[Re: CaregiverDee]
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Not free, but very nice - it is "The Bible Library Suite" from www.valusoft.com that I got several years ago $13 from Amazon, just Google "The Bible Library Suite" /Bevin
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#92153 - 08/18/06 10:48 PM
Re: SSL#8 (August 19-25 06) Day-Year Principle
[Re: Mandy]
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#92154 - 08/19/06 02:18 PM
Re: SSL#8 (August 19-25 06) Day-Year Principle
[Re: Mandy]
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Registered: 03/20/00
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Loc: Wilkesboro, NC
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The SDA proofs for day=week are flimsy, and are only needed to make this one untestable prophetic interpretation.
It is a huge and noisy but defense of a completely unnecessary issue.
/Bevin
Flimsy???
Dan 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined..." NKJ
"God has ordered 490 yrs for your people..." NCV
"Seventy weeks are decreed for your people..." NRSV
"Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people..." NIV
"Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people..."NASB
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people..." Young's Lit. Trans.
"Seventy weeks are appointed upon thy people..."Darby
"Seventy weeks are decreed about your people..." ESV
Believer"s Bible Commentary interprets it as 490 yrs.
So does the Bible Knowledge Commentary.
Ditto, Commentary by Jamieson & Fausset, Harpers, Matthew Henry, New Bible Commentary, & Tyndale Concise Bible Commentary.
Gerry
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#92155 - 08/19/06 02:33 PM
Re: SSL#8 (August 19-25 06) Day-Year Principle
[Re: Mandy]
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Registered: 03/20/00
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Loc: Wilkesboro, NC
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So Daniel has a perfectly good phrase for 21 days, and he uses a completely different phrase for 2300 "days". The KJV has a massive mistranslation at Dan 8:14. It doesn't say days and it doesn't say cleansed.
William Miller simply got it wrong because he didn't understand what his own bible was telling him, because he was working from a bad translation.
/Bevin
Of the 2300 days of Dan 8:14 ereb boqer
Translated as 2300 evenings & mornings by: NCV, NLT, NRSV, NIV, GNT, NASB, Young's Lit. Trans.
Gen 1:5, "So the evening [ereb] & the morning [boqer] were the first day.
Ditto, Gen Gen 1:8, 13, 19, 23, 31
Conclusion: In Genesis 1 ereb + 1 boqer = 1 day, therefore 1 ereb + 1 boqer in Dan must also be = 1 day.
Gerry
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#92157 - 08/19/06 08:01 PM
Re: SSL#8 (August 19-25 06) Day-Year Principle
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Loc: Northern California
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I'm beginning to see the correlation between the Iron Legs and Iron/Clay Feet of Dan 2, the 4th People-Crushing Beast of Dan 7, and, the Horn coming from Greece in Dan 8. This power arises after Greece is no longer a world power, but does not become active until the Time of the End. Kingdoms and empires have come and gone, but this power is still here, waiting to make its move. Some think it's Rome, but I don't. Quote:
NKJ Dan 8
16. And I heard a man's voice between the banks of the Ulai, who called, and said, "Gabriel, make this man understand the vision."
17. So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, "Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end."
So, the events concerning the Sanctuary that occur during the 2300 days, or approx 6.39 years, will take place during the Time of the End.
I've really begun to appreciate Bevin's cool logic.
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